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I think a good launching point is the

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attention that you got for coming out as

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a conservative in Hollywood it's kind of

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the story that everybody wants to tell a

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fox news wants to tell because everybody

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assumes that everybody's liberal there

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and they assume that there is a

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politically correct environment that

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exists in Hollywood that prevents people

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from speaking their mind and being open

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and I assume you're gonna say yes there

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is this politically correct environment

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no question no question there is and

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it's it's it's more of an unspoken thing

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and it doesn't necessarily Annabeth I

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even talked about this on Fox & Friends

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that's not to say that conservatives

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don't work because if you're if you're a

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conservative but you're bringing in the

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big bucks I mean the really big bucks if

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you're you know you're not a little guy

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like me but if you're if you're somebody

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that you know if your film or you in a

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starring role brings in big money then

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they're gonna they're gonna just swallow

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it and they are going to work with you

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because money is the overriding and this

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is what's so interesting is that you

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know a lot of people on the left and a

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lot of leftist because there's there's

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really barely any liberals anymore

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a lot of leftists have there their

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ideals but at the end of the day their

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ideals only last so long as their

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paycheck yeah right and so if they're

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making a lot of money off of this person

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they're gonna go oh well we don't like

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him we don't like his his views but

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we're still gonna use him because we're

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getting buku box

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did you see Ricky Gervais at the Golden

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Globes genius beautiful yeah and I and I

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was never really a fan of the guy but to

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be honest with you I don't I didn't know

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him well enough one way or the other to

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know whether I was a fan there's

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something about him that sort of rubbed

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me the wrong way I don't know what it

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was so I kind of reluctantly go into

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watching it think I'm not gonna like

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this guy and then he just frickin killed

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them

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you know I forget the line but basically

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you guys will gladly us

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to Communist China who oppresses their

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people and you know good finds people

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and so on because for $1 yep remember

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what I just said

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money that's number one number one they

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say that it's not but that's not true

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well I'm gonna I'm gonna sprinkle aid

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one other thing from my personal

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experience that just shows ads on to

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your point about all being money in my

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first life I was a civil rights attorney

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but representing companies against

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claims of civil rights violations so

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it's all these employees coming forward

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claiming I was fired because of my race

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my sex my religion my sexual orientation

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etc and I handled dozens and dozens and

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dozens of these cases and what I always

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say is if you help a company make money

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they keep you if you don't help a

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company make money they get rid of you

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it's that simple and I saw this I saw

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this dead on in handling tons of these

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cases that they never got rid of anybody

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who was helping to make money the people

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they got rid of we're not helping to

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make money and then that person comes up

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with some rationale or excuse or reason

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as to why they were terminated but

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really it was no you weren't helping

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their bottom line right well and you

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know something happened to me fairly

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recently before the Christmas break

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I booked a film and it was just a small

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role but it was a big film and which was

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nice because it's been quite a while and

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so you know it's all excited I have we

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signed contracts yet no we had to sign

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contracts but we had you know kind of

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agreed on the rate blah blah blah you

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know I talked to the first ad talked to

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wardrobe you know gave them my

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measurements we were all kind of going

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down that road and then a few weeks

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later they fired me and I didn't ever

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work I got paid I got paid in full in

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fact so you would sought you had signed

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a contract with them I hadn't signed but

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it was a verbal contract that they you

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know that they were going to use me and

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I had gone down that road and they

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called sag they registered me as this

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with sag blah blah blah all of that

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stuff and and then and then they didn't

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use me and their explanation was none

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and why did they still pay you because

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they had already said that they were

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gonna book me and because they had

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already called sag they had already

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called my manager blah blah blah

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yeah and I presume your theory is that

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they googled you that's my theory

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yes that is my theory but who knows and

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the thing is is that honestly I don't

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really even want to give them the

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satisfaction of me going well why did

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you fire me because they're just gonna

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turn around and say what we thought you

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were good but actually we decided at

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your crap yeah I mean they're gonna

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think of a gazillion different reasons

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besides the one that seems like the big

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elephant in the room reason you know and

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I think that maybe they hadn't googled

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me they hired me on went down that road

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then googled me because I thought okay

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we're working with this chick yeah well

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that's why I wonder perhaps maybe it's

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possible that's why they paid you just

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to alleviate any concern that you're

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gonna come forward and [\h__\h] about

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anything yeah I mean no I'm not gonna

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start the thing I won't do because I

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don't know is I'm not gonna say well it

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was this director who was a really good

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director I would have really liked to

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work with him you know this casting

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director you know I have no idea I will

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never and that's the thing that's the

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weird thing about being blackballed in

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Hollywood is that you will never know

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you will never know all you know is

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you're not getting called in you don't

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get called in for castings you don't get

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caught and my like my manager is still

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with me I don't know why because he

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voted for Hillary but he is still with

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me and you know I'm thrilled and he's a

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good guy I like him and I wouldn't say

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he's a leftist I think he probably

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doesn't realize that he's without a

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party but my voiceover agent dropped me

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and I don't have an agent and I'm not

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even gonna try honestly

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I'm not even gonna try and get one

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anything that I'm gonna do from here on

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out will be something that I do of my

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own accord with my own friends and

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crowdfunding etc etc but that's a whole

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other conversation what about is there

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any element of conservatives trying to

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help each other out and stick together

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in Hollywood I mean you've got example

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of one that's you know like I said if

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you're making them enough money then

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it's okay if you're in the middle where

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you're an actress that's somewhat

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fungible then it then it's not so okay

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right yeah as soon as if you're

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expendable they don't care if you're

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expendable you are expendable or if

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you're expendable you are expended if

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that makes sense

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so you know but if you're not expendable

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and people know that they can make money

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from you then they'll keep you on

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they'll you know they'll have you sign

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their contracts and they'll give your

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give you money and they'll try and keep

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themselves from gagging yeah that's

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pretty much how it is and the sticking

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together part say again

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conservative sticking together as that

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exists where those conservatives

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actually sorry about that I kind of went

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office and conservatives they we have a

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number of kind of private groups that

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meet at private locations where we

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discuss various projects and things like

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that you have to wear a mask again no we

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just don't advertise where this location

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is sometimes it's at the back rooms of

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restaurants that you know they rent out

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friends of a whose friends Ron there's a

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few there's a few different conservative

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meetup groups a lot of them based around

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the industry and then there's also some

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conservatives in fact I've been in talks

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with this one group of of people and

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investors that have a new studio that

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they're starting up I'm not gonna say

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what it's not in California but it's a

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new studio they're starting up

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specifically to do conservative base

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film and actually no wait I need to

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correct that specifically to do film

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that is subversively conservative

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because the truth is is that if you're

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gonna do a conservative base film no one

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from the center to the left is gonna go

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and see that film in fact not only are

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they not going to see it they're going

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to ridicule it laughed at it protest it

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etc etc and there's you know it's not

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gonna get seen so anytime I mean you

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know bless all those people that want to

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do these faith-based films or they want

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to do films like Gosnell and unplanned

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and I'm I'm very supportive of all of

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those people that do those films however

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those films are not going to change

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people's minds the films that are going

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to change people's minds have to be

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subversive yeah I hear what you're

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saying if a film has any whiff of

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conservativeness to it the critics will

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pile on it I think Clint Eastwood's

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movies always get about a 25% lower

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rotten tomato rating simply because it

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came from Clint Eastwood I think the

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Richard Jewell one was the one that he

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did recently that you know only got

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about 65 70 percent it's a great movie

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there's no reason why that movie

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actually because Eastwood does even

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though he isn't out conservative he does

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not do what you would call obvious

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conservative films they are a bit

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subversive yeah if you look at the mule

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but you know America yeah I mean I

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didn't see the mule I mean America's

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sniper comes to mind as being pretty

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pro-american right more obviously look

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at the mule the mule is still and and I

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would say the mule is a perfect example

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of a subversive conservative film

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because here's an older guy who ends up

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being a basically a drug runner and but

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he did it for the right reasons because

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he believed in family that's the key

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word believed in family and then when he

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did get caught he didn't lie about it he

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admitted that he was wrong and he did

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his time almost in a in a in a way that

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he said okay you caught me I'm glad that

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you caught me

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I'm happy to do my time because I was

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wrong even though the reason I did it

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was I would I wanted to help my family

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and that's powerful and it's more things

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like that but I think will will change

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people's minds but it does have to be

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tremendously subversive it just has to

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have those underlying cards yeah I think

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I'm thinking a breakthrough did you see

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that where the where the kid falls

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through the ice and is pronounced dead

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essentially and then brought back to

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life because the mom is praying over his

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body did you see that oh no I haven't

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yeah it came out within the last year or

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so it was a very good movie but it's

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another one where there was just too

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much religion in it because at the end

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of the day their belief was that God

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saved this kid because he was you know

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flatlined for about 18 minutes and then

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and they basically declared him dead

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yeah they say do you want to spend some

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time with your child you know before we

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have to go put him in a bag essentially

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and mom goes in there and prays over him

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for a few minutes and suddenly there's a

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pulse and they come back in there now

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the truth is in my opinion what really

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happened was this kid fell through the

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ice he was under the water for about 15

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minutes and when you freeze the body or

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have it in very cold temperatures yeah

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you you know you are able to resuscitate

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them after it all yeah and that's yeah

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that's probably what happened it

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probably wasn't a miracle but I'm not

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going to say it wasn't a miracle but I'm

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not a big believer in miracles but

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anyway the movie was all about it being

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a miracle and the critics panned that

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because there was just too much religion

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in it yeah so how do you make a

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subversive have you read one of these

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scripts yet I'm just kind of curious you

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give the Mules a good example but what

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would be another example of and you're

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gonna laugh and I've said this before on

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another interview but once upon a time

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in Hollywood that's subversive the

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reason I say that is you have two male

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leads both of them are flawed yet they

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have they both have their own sense of

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personal responsibility there isn't a

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gay undercurrent they're both they can

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have a strong relationship with two

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straight men a camaraderie but yet they

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both comfortable in their own skin and

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they were in a young hippies and then

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the way the hippies were depicted was

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more not the way hippies are depicted

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nowadays which is through rose colored

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lenses the hippies were depicted as they

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really are which was not positive and so

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for all of those reasons I I think that

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I think it's a subversive film maybe

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Quentin Tarantino doesn't even know that

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and what is Tarantino is he known to be

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no words I think Shortino is probably an

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old-school liberal I don't think he's a

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leftist I think it's a classical liberal

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and we need more of him but the problem

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is is that a lot of the former liberals

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have now been brainwashed into becoming

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leftists and Marxists and intersectional

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lists yeah collectivists globalists

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socialists borderline communist big big

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big I mean it's been and you know and

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it's interesting is when you go in and

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you look at old old series even if it's

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comedy series or older films even from

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maybe you know 15 years ago or you know

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you start off maybe like in the 40s and

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50s and you kind of move forward and you

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see how the culture has changed how it's

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been a very very slow move towards

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socialism communism collectivism

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globalism it's been a very slow move

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progressivism so so so slow in fact that

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a lot of people that are leftist now

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don't see it they don't see how that

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they've how they progressed I agree a

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hundred percent I think it's a one of

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the things that is most under discussed

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subjects out there that has happened

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very subtly without people realizing it

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but it's the the slow takeover of the

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Democrat Party by progressives taking

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the place of classic liberals to the

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point where most of most meat potato

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Democrats that you ask what's the

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difference between being liberal and be

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progessive they would probably couldn't

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even tell you the balance between the

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two

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I just find so interesting is that when

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I try and have conversations with

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progressives it seems as though their

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their point of view is only this kind of

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area that is right in front of them they

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don't look at the past other than you

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know things having to do with Hitler and

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that's only perfunctory there they are

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literally only concerned with right now

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and what's immediately in front of them

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and I say but you need to look at the

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you know you need to look more laterally

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and and look at the broader picture of

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what's going on here and what all of

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this is leading to and they just I mean

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their responses usually you know you're

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crazy you're insane

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you know you're an effing idiot blah

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blah blah you know yeah and they just

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let you down and then block you etc you

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know

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give me those sixties radical liberals

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that were protesting against the war

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protesting against the man protesting

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against government and government

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control and so on I mean we need that

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type of liberalism that has distrust for

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establishment and distrust for the

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government progressivism is all about

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embracing the government say that

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because I actually think that those

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people in the 60s were the beginning of

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what we've got today so I've really you

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know my viewpoints have been changing

402
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first of all I became a conservative in

403
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well after 9/11 that was my wake-up call

404
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and I've been moving more conservative

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since then and as you know I came out of

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the closet a few years ago but I think

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when you look at the 60s and you look at

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the 60s revolution that was a revolution

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towards progressivism and collectivism I

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understand their reason for wanting to

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question the establishment but they were

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already too far in that they wanted to

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we throw the baby out with the bathwater

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and that was not a good idea it was a

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very very very bad idea and that's what

416
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we're faced with today I'm you know if

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people want to have more social programs

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I understand the reasoning behind that

419
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even though I don't agree with it but I

420
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the direction that they've gone in today

421
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is is such a gravely wrong and scary

422
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direction and they don't see it yeah

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your your I think you're right about

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about the 60s I guess what I was trying

425
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to harken back to and what was a good

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example of it is Roger Waters from Pink

427
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Floyd who you know ultimate whatever he

428
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is but certainly on the left but I saw

429
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him play at old Shella a couple years

430
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ago when it was the stones and McCartney

431
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and all that and it was Roger Waters and

432
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he's got this huge screen he hates Trump

433
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absolutely hates Trump I know he's

434
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playing the wall and it's you know

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mother should I trust the government and

436
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then behind him in huge letters [\h__\h] no

437
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I'm Mike thank you we shouldn't trust

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the government where are those liberals

439
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that didn't trust the government because

440
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now they want to hand over everything to

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the government it's true it's true

442
00:19:16,850 --> 00:19:13,980
well they they don't realize actually

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that the establishment that they thought

444
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that they shouldn't trust is them they

445
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are on the side of the establishment I

446
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mean I think that gets back to what you

447
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were saying about the 60s that you know

448
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they questioned the establishment but

449
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the establishment are now leftists and

450
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globalists yeah right and that's yeah

451
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really but I mean there's a there's a

452
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whole bunch of things that have changed

453
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too that have caused our society to

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change not only towards collectivism but

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also it has to do with them with our

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rejection of getting back to what you

457
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were saying about prayer our rejection

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of religion and our rejection

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of God we've we've really just

460
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wholehearted and definitely our

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rejection of Christianity and

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traditional just America but the West

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has rejected it so much in favor of

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quote science as though science is the

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ultimate truth which it's not and I

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would also add to that traditional

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values traditional family because I'm

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personally not a huge fan of religion

469
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and I don't think we necessarily need

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religion to be good people and to you

471
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know have a good society I do think that

472
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religion can add a lot of value

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it also has had a lot of negativity in

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the past but but you're right we've

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moved away from religion and may be part

476
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and parcel of that is is moving away

477
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from traditional values traditional

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family father a loving father and a

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mother in the household and so on we

480
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just nations of the Western society yeah

481
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well it great and why it's so real we

482
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just interviewed a psychiatrist

483
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psychologist last week who's an expert

484
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in childhood trauma and basically I just

485
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asked him you know where would you rank

486
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the issue of childhood trauma as far as

487
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issues facing the world he says the

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world's number one problem and I happen

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to agree with that

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childhood almost every behavior as an

491
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adult that is deviant or or not positive

492
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you know addictions and mental illnesses

493
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and criminality etc all go back to

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childhood trauma childhood traumas go

495
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way up when you're not raised in a

496
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traditional home yeah I think what has

497
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happened is by us question the

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establishment we again threw the baby

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out with the bathwater Christianity or

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or rather I guess I should say the

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ethics and morals derived from

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Christianity okay I want to make that

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really clear derived from Christianity

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are the basis for the foundations of

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Western civilization if you take all of

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that away see because what what's

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happened is you know

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cause we've rejected the idea of

509
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Christian religion this kind of dogma

510
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we've rejected that we're now rejecting

511
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all of it and what I'm saying is that I

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found a civilization without a

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foundation cannot stand and the reason

514
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why we're moving into collectivism why

515
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we're moving into a more totalitarian

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society is because we don't have the

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internal sense of soul and the sense of

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what our foundations gave us that give

519
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us this sort of guidance because we

520
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don't have that we need to increase the

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laws that kind of keep people in place

522
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does that make sense yeah the way

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relationship with God and you know I say

524
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this not as somebody who goes to church

525
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every Sunday I don't in fact I don't go

526
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to church I have a strange relationship

527
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with that whole thing that said I

528
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support people going to church and I

529
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support people that I mean I you know I

530
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do absolutely believe in God and I think

531
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and I absolutely believe in the idea of

532
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the soul and this is even more important

533
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than the politics because if we don't

534
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get back to that if we don't get back to

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our relationship with all of this you

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00:23:48,620 --> 00:23:45,570
know to ourselves our country our soul

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the universe eternity if we don't get

538
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back to understanding that relationship

539
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works as humans we're lost because we

540
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think that we can rely on our our own

541
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mental agility to be able to reason our

542
00:24:10,220 --> 00:24:08,130
own morality well all you have to do is

543
00:24:14,060 --> 00:24:10,230
look at history and you'll see how that

544
00:24:16,610 --> 00:24:14,070
doesn't work agree let's talk about

545
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:16,620
Hollywood a bit more and and the big

546
00:24:20,539 --> 00:24:17,730
story there and I know you've written on

547
00:24:22,460 --> 00:24:20,549
this for Fox and that is you know the

548
00:24:26,450 --> 00:24:22,470
the YouTube movement the Harvey

549
00:24:28,190 --> 00:24:26,460
Weinstein's etc scandal what's your

550
00:24:30,379 --> 00:24:28,200
current take

551
00:24:33,019 --> 00:24:30,389
it today are all the monsters out of the

552
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:33,029
closet or are there a lot more in there

553
00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:37,919
even not even close not even like tip of

554
00:24:41,090 --> 00:24:38,820
the iceberg

555
00:24:46,129 --> 00:24:41,100
so what's taking so long for them to get

556
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:46,139
outed okay we're in the middle of the b2

557
00:24:51,230 --> 00:24:47,490
movement here it's supposed to be in

558
00:24:53,810 --> 00:24:51,240
vogue for women to come forward you know

559
00:24:55,639 --> 00:24:53,820
it wasn't before because you are

560
00:25:00,680 --> 00:24:55,649
ostracized and you could lose your

561
00:25:04,850 --> 00:25:00,690
career etc but Part B you lose your

562
00:25:06,860 --> 00:25:04,860
career okay let me explain how it works

563
00:25:09,139 --> 00:25:06,870
I mean the thing is when you have

564
00:25:11,889 --> 00:25:09,149
situations where and it's not just in

565
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:11,899
the Hollywood scene it's it's everywhere

566
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:15,090
where you have situations where someone

567
00:25:21,889 --> 00:25:18,570
has access to power and money and then

568
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:21,899
you have beautiful people that that want

569
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:24,450
access to either power money or fame

570
00:25:30,740 --> 00:25:26,850
right and then you've got these people

571
00:25:34,610 --> 00:25:30,750
that are powerful and have money that

572
00:25:38,210 --> 00:25:34,620
want access to beauty that exchange

573
00:25:40,909 --> 00:25:38,220
happens and it will continue to happen

574
00:25:42,980 --> 00:25:40,919
it will happen until the end of time I

575
00:25:44,539 --> 00:25:42,990
hate to say this okay but there's two

576
00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:44,549
different types of exchanges with

577
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:47,700
respect to the me to movement it's weak

578
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,970
it's it's uh you know it's been

579
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:52,799
heightened we're at a we're at a time

580
00:26:00,169 --> 00:25:54,720
where it's been heightened and I have to

581
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,179
say rose mcgowan hats off to her because

582
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:02,880
that took guts for her to do that

583
00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:06,000
there's a lot I mean I'm étude you know

584
00:26:11,620 --> 00:26:08,940
I was assaulted years ago by a producer

585
00:26:15,259 --> 00:26:11,630
who's dead now

586
00:26:17,210 --> 00:26:15,269
it happens it's so commonplace it's it's

587
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,220
common in the acting industry it's

588
00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:19,200
common in the music industry it's common

589
00:26:25,129 --> 00:26:22,110
in the fashion industry I've seen it all

590
00:26:27,289 --> 00:26:25,139
over can I talk can do you want it can

591
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:27,299
we talk about your case when you were

592
00:26:35,930 --> 00:26:30,090
assaulted um well I you know I was

593
00:26:37,549 --> 00:26:35,940
really young stupid and I this producer

594
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:37,559
said oh you know I can help you with

595
00:26:41,659 --> 00:26:40,320
your career oh do you want to try a

596
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,669
quaalude I said

597
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:43,200
what's that he goes oh it's just gonna

598
00:26:50,899 --> 00:26:44,849
make you relax so you know we can talk

599
00:26:52,849 --> 00:26:50,909
easily he gave me two I was so legless I

600
00:26:55,549 --> 00:26:52,859
couldn't move I mean I literally was

601
00:26:57,349 --> 00:26:55,559
like did you you know like I couldn't

602
00:26:59,329 --> 00:26:57,359
move he just carried me around and did

603
00:27:06,409 --> 00:26:59,339
whatever he wanted to me so you didn't

604
00:27:09,469 --> 00:27:06,419
lose consciousness not quite okay

605
00:27:13,009 --> 00:27:09,479
and what I'm saying is that I couldn't I

606
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:13,019
couldn't I couldn't move like I was like

607
00:27:20,209 --> 00:27:17,570
okay and he sexually assaulted you yeah

608
00:27:21,649 --> 00:27:20,219
so there was you know we Lena get into

609
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:21,659
details but there wasn't raped

610
00:27:25,699 --> 00:27:22,799
there was non but there was

611
00:27:29,989 --> 00:27:25,709
non-consensual sexual contact yeah

612
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:29,999
second third base etc yeah okay so did

613
00:27:34,399 --> 00:27:32,129
you report it report it to anyone no

614
00:27:35,539 --> 00:27:34,409
this was a long time ago you know all

615
00:27:37,729 --> 00:27:35,549
the rape but I'm trying I'm trying to

616
00:27:41,629 --> 00:27:37,739
get into the mentality it's important

617
00:27:43,789 --> 00:27:41,639
agent I told my agent what happened and

618
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:43,799
she said well I'm really sorry that

619
00:27:47,389 --> 00:27:45,570
happened just stay home today you'll be

620
00:27:49,069 --> 00:27:47,399
fine tomorrow by the way what are we

621
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:49,079
doing why aren't we just saying the name

622
00:27:56,180 --> 00:27:52,049
of this [\h__\h] well he's dead now so

623
00:27:58,969 --> 00:27:56,190
what so what he's an [\h__\h] that's true

624
00:28:00,889 --> 00:27:58,979
I mean I mean seriously why shouldn't we

625
00:28:02,449 --> 00:28:00,899
sir he's not the only one the thing is I

626
00:28:05,989 --> 00:28:02,459
don't want to get I don't want to get in

627
00:28:08,869 --> 00:28:05,999
a situation where people or his family

628
00:28:10,699 --> 00:28:08,879
start getting me for libel you know cuz

629
00:28:12,529 --> 00:28:10,709
he has no way of proving it and I have

630
00:28:15,879 --> 00:28:12,539
no way of proving it it's my word

631
00:28:18,529 --> 00:28:15,889
against him or his family you know

632
00:28:20,029 --> 00:28:18,539
there's a lot of people I mean I can

633
00:28:22,819 --> 00:28:20,039
look I'm not gonna I'm not gonna push

634
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:22,829
you at all I could name a lot of names

635
00:28:28,339 --> 00:28:25,440
you know in the Hollywood scene in the

636
00:28:29,659 --> 00:28:28,349
fashion industry that are sorry just to

637
00:28:32,060 --> 00:28:29,669
be clear you could name a lot of names

638
00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:32,070
that you know from friends and friends

639
00:28:37,930 --> 00:28:34,169
of friends that have a reputation Harvey

640
00:28:41,810 --> 00:28:37,940
I knew Harvey was this predator back in

641
00:28:44,869 --> 00:28:41,820
what was it maybe around 2002 I had a

642
00:28:47,989 --> 00:28:44,879
friend who had Harvey on speed dial she

643
00:28:49,729 --> 00:28:47,999
lives in New York and and she would say

644
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:49,739
oh yeah he's you know he's a complete

645
00:28:55,340 --> 00:28:53,369
like predator scumbag but you know he's

646
00:28:56,810 --> 00:28:55,350
Harvey Weinstein

647
00:29:01,340 --> 00:28:56,820
and so let me explain to you why people

648
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:01,350
haven't come forward is that you know

649
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:04,799
when you when you start navigating your

650
00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:08,640
career and you might hear things about

651
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:11,820
how awful some of these people are you

652
00:29:17,020 --> 00:29:14,490
think well you know what I'm I'm fairly

653
00:29:20,350 --> 00:29:17,030
smart I can probably navigate this

654
00:29:22,820 --> 00:29:20,360
without having anything happen to me

655
00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:22,830
right and you know you don't know I mean

656
00:29:28,340 --> 00:29:25,710
you don't know if if you're gonna get

657
00:29:31,490 --> 00:29:28,350
drugged if you may be turned away and

658
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:31,500
they stuck something in your drink you

659
00:29:35,060 --> 00:29:33,120
don't know if you're gonna be it is you

660
00:29:37,970 --> 00:29:35,070
you think I mean for instance hotels

661
00:29:41,390 --> 00:29:37,980
meetings and hotel rooms are not

662
00:29:42,620 --> 00:29:41,400
uncommon I mean it sounds insane but

663
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:42,630
they're not it's just they're not

664
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:45,210
uncommon and so if you find yourself in

665
00:29:50,899 --> 00:29:48,480
that situation I mean I've been in

666
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:50,909
precarious situations where I think well

667
00:29:57,470 --> 00:29:53,250
thank God I got out of that you know how

668
00:30:00,320 --> 00:29:57,480
did I get out of that but I did it

669
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:00,330
that's the thing you you feel like you

670
00:30:05,180 --> 00:30:02,970
can kind of navigate around this because

671
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:05,190
they're sort of like this necessary evil

672
00:30:11,980 --> 00:30:08,490
to sort of move yourself ahead in your

673
00:30:14,539 --> 00:30:11,990
career I know it sounds terrible but

674
00:30:16,399 --> 00:30:14,549
think about it especially in the respect

675
00:30:22,159 --> 00:30:16,409
of Harvey thank God I never met the guy

676
00:30:25,399 --> 00:30:22,169
but with Harvey he greenlit some great

677
00:30:28,970 --> 00:30:25,409
films right I mean he's produced some

678
00:30:30,770 --> 00:30:28,980
amazing films and so people kind of

679
00:30:32,899 --> 00:30:30,780
think well you know I know he's a

680
00:30:35,270 --> 00:30:32,909
complete scumbag but wow he's really

681
00:30:37,490 --> 00:30:35,280
powerful and he might be able to help me

682
00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:37,500
with my career or so if I can just kind

683
00:30:42,890 --> 00:30:41,220
of you know am friendly and cordial and

684
00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:42,900
work with him enough just to kind of

685
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:45,510
like you know it's that push-pull of

686
00:30:51,230 --> 00:30:48,720
like try to get what I want without kind

687
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:51,240
of having to give in to these things you

688
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:54,450
know and that's what happens I mean if

689
00:31:00,289 --> 00:30:56,370
you look at look at what Ashley Judd

690
00:31:02,539 --> 00:31:00,299
said you know when she tried to use the

691
00:31:05,539 --> 00:31:02,549
whole meet - times up movement - kind of

692
00:31:09,550 --> 00:31:05,549
up her star level again which I could

693
00:31:11,810 --> 00:31:09,560
just find really odious but she said

694
00:31:14,090 --> 00:31:11,820
she said oh yeah you know I had a

695
00:31:16,250 --> 00:31:14,100
meeting with Harvey and in his hotel

696
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,260
room and he propositioned me and she

697
00:31:21,050 --> 00:31:18,480
said Oh get me an Oscar first and then

698
00:31:23,210 --> 00:31:21,060
we'll talk so does that mean that she

699
00:31:24,860 --> 00:31:23,220
would negotiate that sort of thing

700
00:31:28,790 --> 00:31:24,870
because that's what it sounded like to

701
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:28,800
me well and let's talk about to all the

702
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,440
women who were able to climb the ladder

703
00:31:36,490 --> 00:31:34,080
by playing that game how do we feel

704
00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:36,500
about women who consensually

705
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:38,910
quote-unquote consensually you know they

706
00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:40,890
weren't forcibly raped but they

707
00:31:45,710 --> 00:31:43,620
essentially yeah engaged in sex with

708
00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:45,720
Harvey or another producer in order to

709
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:50,700
get the part you know it's between them

710
00:31:54,820 --> 00:31:53,910
and their conscience it's between them

711
00:31:58,190 --> 00:31:54,830
and God

712
00:32:01,220 --> 00:31:58,200
if they can wake up the next day and be

713
00:32:04,850 --> 00:32:01,230
okay with it well you know Who am I Who

714
00:32:07,010 --> 00:32:04,860
am I to say yeah yeah this is it though

715
00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:07,020
that that relationship because that

716
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:10,620
relationship goes on you're always gonna

717
00:32:15,740 --> 00:32:13,290
have more Harvey's in the world I mean

718
00:32:17,540 --> 00:32:15,750
if you saw my article for Fox I said you

719
00:32:20,510 --> 00:32:17,550
know how did how to deal and how to deal

720
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:20,520
with a world full of Harvey's there's

721
00:32:24,290 --> 00:32:22,890
always going to be Harvey's you know are

722
00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:24,300
you gonna be one of those people that

723
00:32:30,620 --> 00:32:28,190
are going to compromise yourself because

724
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:30,630
maybe it doesn't mean that much you know

725
00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:32,250
you think oh yeah I'll just screw this

726
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:34,140
guy but you know what I've got my eye on

727
00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:36,330
the ball so I don't really care and it

728
00:32:39,410 --> 00:32:37,980
doesn't bother you it doesn't upset you

729
00:32:41,420 --> 00:32:39,420
so you think can't you just do it

730
00:32:43,940 --> 00:32:41,430
yeah but then there's plenty of girls

731
00:32:45,470 --> 00:32:43,950
that don't want to do that but the thing

732
00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:45,480
is is that for those girls that are

733
00:32:52,190 --> 00:32:47,910
doing that or guys cuz you know goes the

734
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,200
other way and because always um then the

735
00:32:57,070 --> 00:32:54,000
people that are the Predators they're

736
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:57,080
gonna think well everybody can be um

737
00:33:00,440 --> 00:32:59,760
everybody can succumb everybody has a

738
00:33:04,690 --> 00:33:00,450
price

739
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:04,700
you know if I dangled the right carrots

740
00:33:09,740 --> 00:33:07,170
what will they what will they do you for

741
00:33:11,660 --> 00:33:09,750
that carrot yeah so by participating in

742
00:33:15,310 --> 00:33:11,670
it they are complicit in it

743
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:15,320
yeah and allowing it to continue

744
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:18,210
continue yeah so so it's a sad truth

745
00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:20,010
that will continue some people will be

746
00:33:22,650 --> 00:33:22,140
outed I think it's great that Harvey got

747
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:22,660
out and I

748
00:33:26,790 --> 00:33:24,610
I think it's great that he's in prison

749
00:33:28,980 --> 00:33:26,800
now I honestly do I think it's fantastic

750
00:33:30,780 --> 00:33:28,990
I would love it if there were more that

751
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:30,790
went to prison or at least there were

752
00:33:34,410 --> 00:33:32,650
more the thoughts you know maybe I

753
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:34,420
shouldn't do this maybe I shouldn't try

754
00:33:38,490 --> 00:33:35,110
this on

755
00:33:41,150 --> 00:33:38,500
you know only with those who are maybe

756
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:41,160
only have this kind of relationship or

757
00:33:47,370 --> 00:33:44,650
arrangement with people that made it

758
00:33:49,050 --> 00:33:47,380
completely and perfectly clear that

759
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:49,060
that's what they're willing to do in

760
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:50,730
order to get where they're willing to go

761
00:33:56,670 --> 00:33:53,410
but the way I look at is there's right

762
00:33:59,700 --> 00:33:56,680
and wrong in this world and if a

763
00:34:03,090 --> 00:33:59,710
producer makes it very clear to a woman

764
00:34:05,550 --> 00:34:03,100
that in order to get this part here's

765
00:34:08,700 --> 00:34:05,560
what you need to do she shouldn't do it

766
00:34:10,110 --> 00:34:08,710
because then she's complicit units yeah

767
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:10,120
I mean who aren't willing to do it

768
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:11,290
aren't going to get the parts because

769
00:34:17,580 --> 00:34:14,879
there's a big proposition like that I

770
00:34:19,530 --> 00:34:17,590
said no and the reason I've said no is

771
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:19,540
because I can't live with myself the

772
00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:22,720
next day I can't look at myself so night

773
00:34:27,570 --> 00:34:25,780
one writes me so that's me okay so we're

774
00:34:31,110 --> 00:34:27,580
in agreement that that women should be

775
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:31,120
saying no to that right you can say it's

776
00:34:34,889 --> 00:34:33,010
their own conscience but bottom line if

777
00:34:37,110 --> 00:34:34,899
you want to be a good person if you want

778
00:34:42,450 --> 00:34:37,120
to do what's right you should be saying

779
00:34:49,409 --> 00:34:42,460
no to that yeah and you should also be

780
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:49,419
reporting it yep so why aren't more

781
00:34:52,110 --> 00:34:51,040
women reporting it they're not reporting

782
00:34:55,139 --> 00:34:52,120
because they're concerned with their

783
00:34:57,150 --> 00:34:55,149
career right yeah but because they think

784
00:34:59,940 --> 00:34:57,160
because they think well okay

785
00:35:02,550 --> 00:34:59,950
you know what happens like in my

786
00:35:05,550 --> 00:35:02,560
situation number one I was young I was

787
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:05,560
naive but you find yourself in that

788
00:35:10,530 --> 00:35:07,930
situation you think well you know I was

789
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:10,540
such an idiot that maybe I walked into

790
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:12,400
it and it was partially my fault because

791
00:35:19,470 --> 00:35:13,930
I allowed it to happen

792
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:19,480
and and so that's why a lot of people

793
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:23,710
don't don't report it because they kind

794
00:35:31,050 --> 00:35:28,510
of blame themselves as well and look the

795
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:31,060
people that are predators they know how

796
00:35:36,510 --> 00:35:35,200
to play with people they know the road

797
00:35:39,390 --> 00:35:36,520
that they need to go down

798
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:39,400
in order to get to this place but we

799
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:41,110
have society we really need to talk more

800
00:35:45,210 --> 00:35:43,330
openly about this because you said this

801
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:45,220
is gonna go on forever and I think it

802
00:35:48,510 --> 00:35:46,720
doesn't necessarily have to go on

803
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:48,520
forever maybe I'm being naive but in

804
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:51,040
order to at least slow it down two

805
00:35:56,190 --> 00:35:54,370
things need to happen men and let's just

806
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:56,200
stick with men and women now just keep

807
00:36:01,710 --> 00:35:57,970
it simple we know it goes beyond that

808
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:01,720
but men need to understand that you're

809
00:36:06,690 --> 00:36:04,510
being a piece of [\h__\h] you know what to

810
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:06,700
do this society looks down on you you're

811
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,010
a freaking loser for engaging in this

812
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:11,200
kind of conduct and when we find out

813
00:36:14,990 --> 00:36:12,970
about it you're gonna be ostracized from

814
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:15,000
the Hollywood community greater society

815
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:18,400
party maybe the greater society yeah

816
00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:21,570
yeah so men need to understand this

817
00:36:27,210 --> 00:36:24,670
you're gonna be ostracized we're gonna

818
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:27,220
find out and you're a freakin a loser

819
00:36:35,970 --> 00:36:33,040
you are a loser women need to know that

820
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:35,980
by engaging in it you're actually no

821
00:36:46,260 --> 00:36:38,530
better than him when you engage in it

822
00:36:49,170 --> 00:36:46,270
and however if you're gonna say that you

823
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:49,180
know someone like Harvey Weinstein is a

824
00:36:55,260 --> 00:36:50,890
100% loser

825
00:36:59,700 --> 00:36:55,270
here's the gray area here's a loser who

826
00:37:02,010 --> 00:36:59,710
has made amazing films and this is

827
00:37:04,530 --> 00:37:02,020
different this is a thing imagine being

828
00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:04,540
somebody say you're not just an actor

829
00:37:09,420 --> 00:37:06,940
but you know say you're a writer or say

830
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:09,430
you're you're a new director or whatever

831
00:37:13,290 --> 00:37:11,770
and you know he's a scumbag you see him

832
00:37:16,050 --> 00:37:13,300
with all this these little you know

833
00:37:18,930 --> 00:37:16,060
wannabe starlets you know he's just come

834
00:37:20,970 --> 00:37:18,940
back however you think okay you know

835
00:37:23,250 --> 00:37:20,980
what I know he's just come back but I'm

836
00:37:25,140 --> 00:37:23,260
just gonna try and navigate around it

837
00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:25,150
and just deal with him only just a

838
00:37:30,060 --> 00:37:27,340
little bit so that I can get my project

839
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:30,070
move forward you know that's that's what

840
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:33,450
happens and so if we're saying it's not

841
00:37:39,810 --> 00:37:37,570
it's not as cut and dry as Harvey

842
00:37:41,610 --> 00:37:39,820
Weinstein's a scumbag the people that

843
00:37:44,190 --> 00:37:41,620
have sex with Harvey Weinstein are also

844
00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:44,200
scumbags and that's that it's not that

845
00:37:49,580 --> 00:37:46,030
simple because you have circles of

846
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:49,590
people around all of this that are

847
00:37:53,210 --> 00:37:51,690
willing to just think oh okay I don't

848
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:53,220
really want to know about that because

849
00:37:58,250 --> 00:37:54,960
I'm just kind of continuing on my little

850
00:38:01,850 --> 00:37:58,260
path here you know I guess the point is

851
00:38:04,490 --> 00:38:01,860
unfortunately that's humanity we're

852
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:04,500
dealing with people that have power and

853
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:06,330
money on one side and we're dealing with

854
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:10,260
people that want fame and recognition on

855
00:38:14,990 --> 00:38:12,210
the other and when you have those two

856
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:15,000
things and you have people that don't

857
00:38:22,370 --> 00:38:19,650
have a strong sense of morality and what

858
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:22,380
happened with that in our society right

859
00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:24,090
when you have people that don't have a

860
00:38:29,180 --> 00:38:26,820
strong sense of morality you think you

861
00:38:30,830 --> 00:38:29,190
know yeah well I sound like what you're

862
00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:30,840
saying is there's more people complicit

863
00:38:34,730 --> 00:38:33,300
in it than just the man and the woman

864
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:34,740
which is certainly true certainly people

865
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:36,510
working around the person protecting the

866
00:38:43,580 --> 00:38:40,560
person as I say I knew about Harvey

867
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:43,590
Weinstein back in around 2002

868
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:47,370
everybody knew no but I still don't feel

869
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:49,170
like for me God

870
00:38:54,860 --> 00:38:51,960
she knew I'm sure she saw him with

871
00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:54,870
various little wannabe starlets and just

872
00:38:59,690 --> 00:38:57,480
thought oh god that's Harvey oh well you

873
00:39:01,010 --> 00:38:59,700
know but but but I don't know you're

874
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:01,020
kind of tossing your hands up at the

875
00:39:04,850 --> 00:39:02,850
situation a little bit more than I am

876
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:04,860
I'm concerned that this is going to be a

877
00:39:07,850 --> 00:39:06,690
blip it was in the news for a while and

878
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:07,860
then it's going to kind of Peter down

879
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:09,450
and Holly was going to go back to the

880
00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:12,000
way it was and I'm saying that I think

881
00:39:17,810 --> 00:39:14,910
that it needs to be talked about more

882
00:39:21,140 --> 00:39:17,820
and I don't think it's as complicated as

883
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,150
you do I think it's very clear that the

884
00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:23,040
guy shouldn't do it and the woman

885
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:24,420
shouldn't do it I hear a lot about

886
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:26,130
people saying the guy shouldn't do it

887
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:28,110
and I think we need to shame them even

888
00:39:31,130 --> 00:39:29,850
more as part of my point of calling him

889
00:39:32,810 --> 00:39:31,140
a loser I don't care how many great

890
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:32,820
films you made you're a freakin a loser

891
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:35,970
because you did this I'm being just

892
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:38,400
paint the picture for you as to why you

893
00:39:43,340 --> 00:39:41,250
have not just you know the wannabe

894
00:39:45,110 --> 00:39:43,350
starlet that four or the writer or the

895
00:39:47,950 --> 00:39:45,120
director or whatever that wants to move

896
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:47,960
their career ahead I'm also saying that

897
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:50,130
there's a lot of people that are

898
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,890
employed by these people you know it's

899
00:39:58,250 --> 00:39:54,960
their paycheck and things like that so

900
00:39:59,680 --> 00:39:58,260
where do you and I mean I would believe

901
00:40:02,530 --> 00:39:59,690
me I agree with

902
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:02,540
I would love for this not to happen I

903
00:40:07,630 --> 00:40:04,730
would love for this not to happen and

904
00:40:10,059 --> 00:40:07,640
I'm gonna go back by saying the reason

905
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:10,069
it is happening is that we have lost our

906
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:12,050
morality and we've lost our sense of

907
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:15,170
ethics until we go back to that until we

908
00:40:21,069 --> 00:40:18,650
understand that we need to embrace those

909
00:40:26,020 --> 00:40:21,079
things again and we need to actually

910
00:40:28,359 --> 00:40:26,030
care for our soul our eternal soul it's

911
00:40:31,180 --> 00:40:28,369
gonna continue and and I think that's

912
00:40:33,250 --> 00:40:31,190
the big reason why not just in America

913
00:40:35,950 --> 00:40:33,260
not just Hollywood not just in America

914
00:40:38,380 --> 00:40:35,960
but the whole of Western civilization

915
00:40:41,530 --> 00:40:38,390
the reason where Western civilization is

916
00:40:44,190 --> 00:40:41,540
crumbling and it is is because we have

917
00:40:47,380 --> 00:40:44,200
lost our sense of morality and ethics

918
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:47,390
well the last thing I'd say specifically

919
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:50,240
on that issue is now going to the women

920
00:40:58,359 --> 00:40:54,970
who are actually abused so it's not them

921
00:40:59,500 --> 00:40:58,369
agreeing to engage in sex that they're

922
00:41:02,260 --> 00:40:59,510
actually sexually abuse actually

923
00:41:05,290 --> 00:41:02,270
assaulted and so on the movie bombshell

924
00:41:07,150 --> 00:41:05,300
which did you see bombshell so which is

925
00:41:11,230 --> 00:41:07,160
exactly what we're talking about Roger

926
00:41:14,530 --> 00:41:11,240
airs at Fox and and doing this with

927
00:41:17,290 --> 00:41:14,540
women at Fox and megyn kelly at one

928
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:17,300
point in the movie you know acknowledges

929
00:41:23,140 --> 00:41:20,569
that yeah it happened to me so here's

930
00:41:25,450 --> 00:41:23,150
the most successful woman on Fox coming

931
00:41:27,460 --> 00:41:25,460
forward and saying that uh early in my

932
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:27,470
career same thing happened me and the

933
00:41:34,569 --> 00:41:30,770
Margot Robbie character basically looks

934
00:41:36,970 --> 00:41:34,579
at her and she's like thanks a lot why

935
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:36,980
didn't you tell me why didn't you tell

936
00:41:43,809 --> 00:41:40,160
others you knew this and I'm like thank

937
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:43,819
you great moment in the film where woman

938
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:47,089
B gets mad at woman a for not saying

939
00:41:49,540 --> 00:41:48,650
anything about it because it allowed it

940
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:49,550
to happen to me

941
00:41:55,089 --> 00:41:51,920
so what do we have to say about women

942
00:41:56,260 --> 00:41:55,099
who are assaulted and don't come forward

943
00:41:58,240 --> 00:41:56,270
and do the right thing I know there's

944
00:42:00,130 --> 00:41:58,250
lots of excuses and I will never blame

945
00:42:01,930 --> 00:42:00,140
the victim and there's lots of excuses

946
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:01,940
for not coming forward but shouldn't we

947
00:42:06,130 --> 00:42:05,690
be encouraging women come forward yes we

948
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:06,140
should

949
00:42:16,090 --> 00:42:13,250
because during this lockdown

950
00:42:18,220 --> 00:42:16,100
our economy's gonna do well god knows

951
00:42:21,220 --> 00:42:18,230
what it's gonna do I mean it's gonna be

952
00:42:23,980 --> 00:42:21,230
a massive reset and there's a lot of

953
00:42:27,490 --> 00:42:23,990
changes going on in Hollywood in the

954
00:42:31,210 --> 00:42:27,500
industry in general with regard to our

955
00:42:35,050 --> 00:42:31,220
technology and ways for people to view

956
00:42:37,780 --> 00:42:35,060
film and things like that that I think

957
00:42:39,850 --> 00:42:37,790
the traditional Hollywood model as much

958
00:42:42,340 --> 00:42:39,860
as all the people at the top want to

959
00:42:47,230 --> 00:42:42,350
hang on to it I think it's gonna start

960
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:47,240
to crumble actually and so right now is

961
00:42:55,090 --> 00:42:51,200
when people should come forward they

962
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:55,100
should come forward yeah sorry I when I

963
00:43:03,070 --> 00:42:57,650
when I came out as a conservative I knew

964
00:43:05,260 --> 00:43:03,080
that I was playing with my career but

965
00:43:06,850 --> 00:43:05,270
the bulk of my career I'm kind of a

966
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:06,860
strange case because the bulk of my

967
00:43:12,850 --> 00:43:10,880
career was in the UK I had a much I had

968
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:12,860
a much better career in the UK and so

969
00:43:18,220 --> 00:43:15,050
when I moved here I was competing with

970
00:43:20,740 --> 00:43:18,230
other actresses that had a long list of

971
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,750
American credits American Network

972
00:43:26,650 --> 00:43:22,880
credits and all of my credits were

973
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,660
English I mean so really I mean I would

974
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:28,240
have been better off if I had come here

975
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:32,210
changed my name and completely decided

976
00:43:38,410 --> 00:43:35,450
that I was an English person and then my

977
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:38,420
entire career probably could have been

978
00:43:41,410 --> 00:43:39,050
different

979
00:43:43,690 --> 00:43:41,420
hey you're still young you're still

980
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:43,700
young yeah you know but you know so

981
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,490
anyway so I was not in as much of a

982
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:48,880
precarious position as some people

983
00:43:54,100 --> 00:43:52,010
coming out but I I do have a sense of

984
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:54,110
ethics and morality and the respect that

985
00:44:00,130 --> 00:43:56,810
I thought you know it's not right what's

986
00:44:02,890 --> 00:44:00,140
going on and and so that's why I came

987
00:44:05,230 --> 00:44:02,900
out as conservatives I just I saw what

988
00:44:07,930 --> 00:44:05,240
was happening in our in our society and

989
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:07,940
and I I wanted to be one of the people

990
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:10,370
to say wait a minute look at what's

991
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:12,770
happening to us we need to we need to

992
00:44:18,250 --> 00:44:15,200
put the brakes on this and that's why I

993
00:44:22,990 --> 00:44:18,260
came out and for the same reason people

994
00:44:26,590 --> 00:44:23,000
in the me to industry now that this is

995
00:44:28,420 --> 00:44:26,600
open and again hats off to Rose McGowan

996
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:28,430
we don't agree on a lot of other things

997
00:44:32,980 --> 00:44:30,290
but hats off to her for having the guts

998
00:44:35,950 --> 00:44:32,990
to do it because she did have a lot to

999
00:44:39,580 --> 00:44:35,960
lose she had a ton to lose and she did

1000
00:44:42,910 --> 00:44:39,590
it and I am I have such respect for her

1001
00:44:45,460 --> 00:44:42,920
in that respect so we all need to follow

1002
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:45,470
suit I agree we all need to follow suit

1003
00:44:50,590 --> 00:44:48,160
and not and not put up with it anymore

1004
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:50,600
yes there anyone that you'd like to out

1005
00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:52,610
on this show that you have first-hand

1006
00:45:10,769 --> 00:44:54,440
knowledge is an abuser who's in the

1007
00:45:18,940 --> 00:45:15,400
it's all the people that I'm gonna name

1008
00:45:22,359 --> 00:45:18,950
our people from years and years ago when

1009
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:22,369
I was younger and this is all firsthand

1010
00:45:27,329 --> 00:45:25,130
experiences or or secondhand a friend

1011
00:45:31,299 --> 00:45:27,339
tell me okay

1012
00:45:33,250 --> 00:45:31,309
there was a Booker in my agency this is

1013
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:33,260
when I was a model cuz you know my young

1014
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:35,210
years I was I was a model fashion model

1015
00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:38,569
there was a Booker with my agency in

1016
00:45:46,259 --> 00:45:41,630
Milan his name was Roberto the name of

1017
00:45:47,940 --> 00:45:46,269
the agency was Milano models not good

1018
00:45:52,750 --> 00:45:47,950
not good

1019
00:45:55,539 --> 00:45:52,760
and when I wouldn't put out he kicked me

1020
00:46:00,130 --> 00:45:55,549
out of the agency is he still working

1021
00:46:03,009 --> 00:46:00,140
today as far as you know um from I ran

1022
00:46:05,859 --> 00:46:03,019
into him years later at the bandage in

1023
00:46:12,910 --> 00:46:05,869
Paris which is a big club was during an

1024
00:46:15,309 --> 00:46:12,920
you know show week and I think he told

1025
00:46:18,249 --> 00:46:15,319
me that he was working in Miami for some

1026
00:46:19,930 --> 00:46:18,259
big Miami agent and I just remember

1027
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:19,940
being at the band ushion you know all

1028
00:46:24,730 --> 00:46:22,250
the big top models were there and he was

1029
00:46:26,980 --> 00:46:24,740
like oh darling muah muah with you know

1030
00:46:33,309 --> 00:46:26,990
Naomi Campbell and various other people

1031
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:33,319
known big big models um what's his last

1032
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:33,650
name

1033
00:46:38,499 --> 00:46:37,609
that sucks what's so disgusting I mean

1034
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:38,509
here's the other thing

1035
00:46:45,999 --> 00:46:42,650
I met Jeffrey Epstein I met Jeffrey

1036
00:46:51,069 --> 00:46:46,009
Epstein in the 90s I was in Paris it was

1037
00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:51,079
either 92 93 or 94 my Booker picked me

1038
00:46:55,029 --> 00:46:53,089
up at the hotel where I was living

1039
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:55,039
because you know a lot of models live in

1040
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:56,210
these kind of like week-to-week

1041
00:47:01,599 --> 00:46:59,359
hotels while you're there and he said oh

1042
00:47:03,730 --> 00:47:01,609
you know I just want to go over to my

1043
00:47:06,099 --> 00:47:03,740
friends house cuz he's got a couple of

1044
00:47:08,019 --> 00:47:06,109
our models staying with him to see if

1045
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:08,029
they want to come out with us so we

1046
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:11,930
drive over there and I remember meeting

1047
00:47:15,940 --> 00:47:14,210
well it's very interesting because when

1048
00:47:18,370 --> 00:47:15,950
I found out that Epstein had an

1049
00:47:21,940 --> 00:47:18,380
apartment in Paris I thought hmm I

1050
00:47:23,170 --> 00:47:21,950
looked up his apartment and

1051
00:47:24,670 --> 00:47:23,180
remember there were certain things I

1052
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,680
remembered about this apartment they

1053
00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:26,960
were you know where it was in Paris I

1054
00:47:30,339 --> 00:47:28,609
knew where it was in relation to the Arc

1055
00:47:32,589 --> 00:47:30,349
de Triomphe it was kind of near there

1056
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:32,599
I remembered parking on the street there

1057
00:47:38,319 --> 00:47:35,200
was a hedge and then there was a kind of

1058
00:47:42,190 --> 00:47:38,329
grassy bit before it was the actual

1059
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:42,200
building was set back and I remember

1060
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:46,490
meeting a guy who was from New York he

1061
00:47:50,410 --> 00:47:48,290
was a businessman he was

1062
00:47:54,690 --> 00:47:50,420
kind of attractive but I remembered he

1063
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:54,700
had this kind of oversized jaw right and

1064
00:48:00,010 --> 00:47:57,650
you know he had the model staying in one

1065
00:48:02,460 --> 00:48:00,020
of his rooms you know they were just

1066
00:48:05,770 --> 00:48:02,470
sleeping in mattresses on the floor

1067
00:48:08,410 --> 00:48:05,780
typical kind of model situation for

1068
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:08,420
models that travel all the time and you

1069
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:10,010
know we just out there for about a half

1070
00:48:13,060 --> 00:48:11,599
an hour while the girls decided whether

1071
00:48:15,490 --> 00:48:13,070
they were going to come or not had an

1072
00:48:16,930 --> 00:48:15,500
inane conversation I remember shaking

1073
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:16,940
his hand he had this really soft

1074
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:21,770
handshake and I remember seeing the

1075
00:48:26,620 --> 00:48:25,250
apartment was not fully kitted out as if

1076
00:48:28,329 --> 00:48:26,630
somebody lived there all the time it

1077
00:48:30,819 --> 00:48:28,339
looked like a part-time situation and I

1078
00:48:32,859 --> 00:48:30,829
guarantee you at times that he was there

1079
00:48:34,359 --> 00:48:32,869
was in the summertime now if you were to

1080
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:34,369
ask me why was he there in the

1081
00:48:39,849 --> 00:48:36,890
summertime because the summertime is

1082
00:48:42,579 --> 00:48:39,859
when all the youngest girls are off

1083
00:48:45,790 --> 00:48:42,589
school and they come to Paris and they

1084
00:48:48,490 --> 00:48:45,800
come to Milan to try and get more tear

1085
00:48:51,609 --> 00:48:48,500
sheets for their book right so those are

1086
00:48:53,260 --> 00:48:51,619
the ones that he's targeting and he set

1087
00:48:54,970 --> 00:48:53,270
it up like a models apartment it sounds

1088
00:48:58,450 --> 00:48:54,980
likely he was allowing models to live in

1089
00:49:00,579 --> 00:48:58,460
his apartment right right so he

1090
00:49:02,980 --> 00:49:00,589
surrounded himself in the in the fashion

1091
00:49:06,910 --> 00:49:02,990
industry for that reason and I'm sure he

1092
00:49:09,250 --> 00:49:06,920
was most active in the summertime so he

1093
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:09,260
struck you as extremely creepy or only

1094
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,890
kind of creepy no just just I wasn't I

1095
00:49:21,370 --> 00:49:14,720
wasn't really sure what to make of him

1096
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:21,380
he was he was so casual like he was very

1097
00:49:26,050 --> 00:49:24,290
kind of how can I describe his okay well

1098
00:49:29,260 --> 00:49:26,060
you see what I'm like I'm quite animated

1099
00:49:35,230 --> 00:49:29,270
and you know I have a lot of energy he

1100
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:35,240
was very very low-key

1101
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:40,000
very low-key very very casual was really

1102
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:44,450
really low-key calm and when you see you

1103
00:49:49,420 --> 00:49:47,090
know some of the interviews with him he

1104
00:49:53,260 --> 00:49:49,430
seemed that way too you know just very

1105
00:49:55,710 --> 00:49:53,270
kind of did you did you have any other

1106
00:50:00,220 --> 00:49:55,720
stories that you heard about him from

1107
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:00,230
model friends I mean III mean this only

1108
00:50:04,030 --> 00:50:02,480
dawned on me recently and I kind of put

1109
00:50:07,210 --> 00:50:04,040
all my memories together and I thought

1110
00:50:11,170 --> 00:50:07,220
oh my god I've met the guy I met the guy

1111
00:50:14,260 --> 00:50:11,180
shook his hand um I have other stories

1112
00:50:15,580 --> 00:50:14,270
of um you know the the fashion industry

1113
00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:15,590
and what goes on in the fashion industry

1114
00:50:20,620 --> 00:50:19,910
and in fact in the mid 90s a writer came

1115
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:20,630
to me

1116
00:50:24,940 --> 00:50:22,400
this is when I was living in London cuz

1117
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:24,950
I spent most of my most of my career in

1118
00:50:30,580 --> 00:50:28,250
London a writer came to me and she said

1119
00:50:33,820 --> 00:50:30,590
she wanted to do an expose on the model

1120
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:33,830
industry more specifically on the whole

1121
00:50:38,620 --> 00:50:37,130
heroin-chic thing in London and I said

1122
00:50:42,070 --> 00:50:38,630
to her and this is after I had spent

1123
00:50:44,260 --> 00:50:42,080
time a few different sessions in you

1124
00:50:46,330 --> 00:50:44,270
know in Milan and also in Paris and I

1125
00:50:48,130 --> 00:50:46,340
said hey I said you want the dirt on the

1126
00:50:50,020 --> 00:50:48,140
model industry I said you need to go to

1127
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:50,030
him along in Paris and all you know and

1128
00:50:56,140 --> 00:50:52,010
I I proceeded to tell her how all of

1129
00:50:59,890 --> 00:50:56,150
this works you know the clubs hire these

1130
00:51:02,440 --> 00:50:59,900
PRS that basically now I've heard and

1131
00:51:06,130 --> 00:51:02,450
from models recently that I met that

1132
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:06,140
these PRS actually hang out outside of

1133
00:51:13,870 --> 00:51:09,200
castings so they're actually connected

1134
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:13,880
with the Booker's with clients with the

1135
00:51:20,109 --> 00:51:15,770
other thing in in the fashion industry

1136
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:20,119
in Milan the agency owners are usually

1137
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:23,930
mafia mafia and they're mafia buddies or

1138
00:51:27,970 --> 00:51:26,330
friends of mafia okay those are the

1139
00:51:29,290 --> 00:51:27,980
people with a lot of money that yeah

1140
00:51:32,980 --> 00:51:29,300
they're the ones that run all the model

1141
00:51:35,170 --> 00:51:32,990
agencies funded aside art world people

1142
00:51:38,530 --> 00:51:35,180
don't realize it's a really dark dark

1143
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:38,540
world I mean if you know I could give

1144
00:51:42,940 --> 00:51:40,880
you more details about what happened in

1145
00:51:45,220 --> 00:51:42,950
Paris and and obviously still goes on

1146
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:45,230
but you know and I mean I was one of the

1147
00:51:48,220 --> 00:51:47,930
lucky ones I didn't get my drug I'm I

1148
00:51:53,620 --> 00:51:48,230
didn't

1149
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:53,630
but I have known people that have I've

1150
00:51:57,550 --> 00:51:55,040
known people where that's happened to

1151
00:51:58,900 --> 00:51:57,560
them yeah the modeling industry is

1152
00:52:01,540 --> 00:51:58,910
something that really has kind of

1153
00:52:03,970 --> 00:52:01,550
escaped a lot of attention thus far it's

1154
00:52:06,849 --> 00:52:03,980
been mostly about about acting I want to

1155
00:52:08,740 --> 00:52:06,859
ask you one more and then get into Eyes

1156
00:52:11,260 --> 00:52:08,750
Wide Shut if you don't mind I am a big

1157
00:52:12,730 --> 00:52:11,270
fan of the movie and I hope it doesn't

1158
00:52:20,890 --> 00:52:12,740
make you uncomfortable that I've seen

1159
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:20,900
you naked but but but speaking of the

1160
00:52:27,070 --> 00:52:21,650
closet

1161
00:52:29,260 --> 00:52:27,080
as gays and what I complain about is

1162
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:29,270
Hollywood likes to portray itself as

1163
00:52:33,660 --> 00:52:31,130
being so forward thinking and advanced

1164
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:33,670
and liberal and open-minded and so on

1165
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:37,280
yet you have all these gays in the

1166
00:52:42,070 --> 00:52:39,170
closet I'm like you know if one of these

1167
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:42,080
high-profile people would come out I

1168
00:52:47,260 --> 00:52:43,310
mean they mouth through it and there's

1169
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:47,270
been a small handful of them but what

1170
00:52:51,220 --> 00:52:48,890
would advance the interests of

1171
00:52:54,430 --> 00:52:51,230
open-mindedness and love and respect for

1172
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:54,440
gays I don't really understand why

1173
00:53:01,210 --> 00:52:58,010
anybody who's gay in Hollywood has any

1174
00:53:03,250 --> 00:53:01,220
issue whatsoever with coming out in fact

1175
00:53:06,660 --> 00:53:03,260
the opposite would if they came out

1176
00:53:09,390 --> 00:53:06,670
being gay they would be so celebrated I

1177
00:53:11,859 --> 00:53:09,400
mean it would be completely the opposite

1178
00:53:14,410 --> 00:53:11,869
it's like if you're if you're if you're

1179
00:53:16,450 --> 00:53:14,420
gay or you're trans or there's something

1180
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:16,460
else that's kind of different about you

1181
00:53:21,490 --> 00:53:18,890
you're celebrated it's people like me

1182
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:21,500
that are really not celebrated I mean

1183
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:24,530
I'm straight I'm Mary I'm conservative

1184
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:29,450
I'm white I'm over 40 I mean I'm I'm I'm

1185
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:31,520
not gonna check in the boxes I don't

1186
00:53:38,170 --> 00:53:34,250
have anorexia I mean you know to me it's

1187
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:38,180
like I'm just this boring person that I

1188
00:53:42,940 --> 00:53:40,970
am like the last choice on the list now

1189
00:53:46,270 --> 00:53:42,950
and I'm not and I'm not saying that from

1190
00:53:49,060 --> 00:53:46,280
a position of oh look at me you know I

1191
00:53:51,609 --> 00:53:49,070
know the way I check off is I'm gonna

1192
00:53:53,830 --> 00:53:51,619
make my own way regardless yeah I took

1193
00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:53,840
off a lot of the same boxes except I'm

1194
00:53:59,950 --> 00:53:56,510
half-italian so I have that going from

1195
00:54:00,940 --> 00:53:59,960
oh I see only the only little teeny

1196
00:54:02,980 --> 00:54:00,950
thing I have going

1197
00:54:04,540 --> 00:54:02,990
for me is I'm part Native American my

1198
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:04,550
mother belonged to the Yankton Sioux

1199
00:54:10,060 --> 00:54:07,280
tribe oh we all have like 0.1% of a

1200
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:10,070
native man my mother was a legal member

1201
00:54:16,620 --> 00:54:12,530
okay yeah my grandmother was born on the

1202
00:54:19,780 --> 00:54:16,630
reservation well the theory is that

1203
00:54:22,089 --> 00:54:19,790
internationally these stars feel like

1204
00:54:24,700 --> 00:54:22,099
they would not do well America become

1205
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:24,710
pretty open-minded toward gay obviously

1206
00:54:30,970 --> 00:54:28,690
and so is Europe but Middle East Asia

1207
00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:30,980
even you know Eastern Europe Russia

1208
00:54:36,819 --> 00:54:34,609
example as an example Ukraine etc are

1209
00:54:38,890 --> 00:54:36,829
not near as open-minded about gay as we

1210
00:54:41,980 --> 00:54:38,900
are so there there international box

1211
00:54:44,349 --> 00:54:41,990
office would be affected yeah

1212
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:44,359
that's the point that's the point don't

1213
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:46,730
you know isn't it how they are so

1214
00:54:51,339 --> 00:54:49,250
supportive of those things right well

1215
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:51,349
and interesting how it comes don't you

1216
00:54:56,650 --> 00:54:53,359
find it interesting interesting that

1217
00:55:00,130 --> 00:54:56,660
they don't really like the idea of

1218
00:55:01,150 --> 00:55:00,140
conservatives yet you've got an

1219
00:55:03,490 --> 00:55:01,160
incredible

1220
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:03,500
you've got incredibly oppressive regimes

1221
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:08,210
in Islamic regime regimes and also in

1222
00:55:14,980 --> 00:55:11,599
the communist regime of China and yet

1223
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:14,990
you can't say anything against China

1224
00:55:20,530 --> 00:55:17,839
because China again goes right back to

1225
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:20,540
it gives brings them big money and

1226
00:55:24,010 --> 00:55:22,490
because they bring them big money they

1227
00:55:26,859 --> 00:55:24,020
shut their mouths and they toe the line

1228
00:55:28,210 --> 00:55:26,869
and I think that's disgusting yeah well

1229
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:28,220
that's the Hollywood hypocrisy that

1230
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:29,450
we're talking about and at the end of

1231
00:55:32,109 --> 00:55:30,770
the day it's about money and I think the

1232
00:55:33,940 --> 00:55:32,119
same thing relates to the gay issue I

1233
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:33,950
think the right thing to do without

1234
00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:36,650
question is for these actors especially

1235
00:55:41,140 --> 00:55:38,510
the high-profile ones to come out of the

1236
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:41,150
closet because a it's just being honest

1237
00:55:44,890 --> 00:55:43,040
be it's a it's demonstrating that

1238
00:55:46,329 --> 00:55:44,900
there's nothing there's no shame in this

1239
00:55:48,609 --> 00:55:46,339
there's nothing wrong with it

1240
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:48,619
and as far as you shouldn't be

1241
00:55:54,579 --> 00:55:50,960
discriminated against based upon it and

1242
00:55:56,890 --> 00:55:54,589
they would be very helpful to two people

1243
00:55:59,050 --> 00:55:56,900
out there that I'm just gonna say in the

1244
00:56:01,450 --> 00:55:59,060
West this is the thing that bothers me

1245
00:56:03,490 --> 00:56:01,460
about the left is that they think that

1246
00:56:06,670 --> 00:56:03,500
they're being discriminated for being

1247
00:56:09,010 --> 00:56:06,680
gay and they aren't I mean you people

1248
00:56:12,910 --> 00:56:09,020
are not discriminated for being gay in

1249
00:56:14,060 --> 00:56:12,920
the West anymore anymore and but I think

1250
00:56:16,340 --> 00:56:14,070
that people on the left

1251
00:56:20,270 --> 00:56:16,350
loves being a victim they just love

1252
00:56:22,190 --> 00:56:20,280
embracing it well they love the

1253
00:56:26,030 --> 00:56:22,200
narrative that well and this is what I

1254
00:56:27,950 --> 00:56:26,040
heard about one gay celebrity that well

1255
00:56:30,770 --> 00:56:27,960
but in in the middle of the country

1256
00:56:33,050 --> 00:56:30,780
they're not accepting so you know on the

1257
00:56:34,580 --> 00:56:33,060
coasts we're okay but I can't come out

1258
00:56:36,260 --> 00:56:34,590
of the closet because of the middle of

1259
00:56:38,930 --> 00:56:36,270
the country which i think is absolutely

1260
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:38,940
not true most of the people in Hollywood

1261
00:56:43,490 --> 00:56:41,370
don't give one toss about the middle of

1262
00:56:45,500 --> 00:56:43,500
the country yeah the middle of the

1263
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,510
country is more forward-thinking than

1264
00:56:49,820 --> 00:56:47,280
they realized the only problem is they

1265
00:56:53,620 --> 00:56:49,830
do have perhaps more traditional values

1266
00:56:55,970 --> 00:56:53,630
but they're very much for the same no

1267
00:56:57,980 --> 00:56:55,980
because it's the middle of the country

1268
00:57:03,590 --> 00:56:57,990
you know when my husband and I moved

1269
00:57:07,370 --> 00:57:03,600
here from the UK we saw America as the

1270
00:57:12,830 --> 00:57:07,380
last hope for for Humanity for Western

1271
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:12,840
civilization for freedom and I look at

1272
00:57:15,590 --> 00:57:14,220
the people in the middle of the country

1273
00:57:19,070 --> 00:57:15,600
and I look at the people in the south

1274
00:57:21,050 --> 00:57:19,080
the ones that all the arrogant people on

1275
00:57:24,580 --> 00:57:21,060
the coast say oh you know they're just a

1276
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:24,590
bunch of bigoted racist you know

1277
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:27,930
Christians they say seething as they say

1278
00:57:33,380 --> 00:57:31,770
the word and and my mind the thing I

1279
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:33,390
would like to say back to those people I

1280
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:35,310
said yeah well it's those people that

1281
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:37,890
will save this country it's those people

1282
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:40,410
that will save Western civilization

1283
00:57:45,350 --> 00:57:43,530
so I even though I am firmly a coastal

1284
00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:45,360
person obviously I mean I've never lived

1285
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:47,160
in the middle of the country but I am in

1286
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:49,200
full support of those people because

1287
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,290
those people are true patriots yeah and

1288
00:57:57,170 --> 00:57:54,720
I think they're far more accepting than

1289
00:58:00,110 --> 00:57:57,180
they get credit for Elton John does

1290
00:58:02,660 --> 00:58:00,120
packs arenas all over there he does just

1291
00:58:04,340 --> 00:58:02,670
fine so I think so

1292
00:58:06,050 --> 00:58:04,350
so speaking of actors in the closet

1293
00:58:08,450 --> 00:58:06,060
let's move to Eyes Wide Shut and Tom

1294
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:08,460
Cruise okay you got to work directly

1295
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:11,970
with Tom which is amazing my theory is

1296
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:13,200
that he's in the closet if you want to

1297
00:58:21,650 --> 00:58:14,850
share your theory about that you're

1298
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:21,660
welcome to do that I don't know honestly

1299
00:58:28,210 --> 00:58:24,570
I don't know I mean at one point I'll

1300
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:28,220
just share a little kind of anecdote

1301
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:30,960
the first day that we were filming we

1302
00:58:36,020 --> 00:58:33,359
were doing the bathroom scene and I'm

1303
00:58:38,450 --> 00:58:36,030
kind of yeah we were you know we had

1304
00:58:39,859 --> 00:58:38,460
just cut or we were in between shots or

1305
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:39,869
whatever and it's before they brought a

1306
00:58:43,700 --> 00:58:41,730
towel over because I would get it you

1307
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:43,710
know and Tom was very respectful about

1308
00:58:47,390 --> 00:58:45,599
that you know if they didn't bring the

1309
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,400
towel over to cover me up Tom would say

1310
00:58:50,779 --> 00:58:48,960
hey can you bring your towel over you

1311
00:58:52,579 --> 00:58:50,789
know cuz he sense that I'm like look

1312
00:58:54,829 --> 00:58:52,589
we're not filming do I need to really be

1313
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:54,839
you know you see I told you I told you

1314
00:58:59,240 --> 00:58:57,359
is gay no straight man no straight man

1315
00:59:00,160 --> 00:58:59,250
would say get a towel on this woman okay

1316
00:59:02,450 --> 00:59:00,170
but hang on

1317
00:59:06,620 --> 00:59:02,460
no I think he was being respectful but

1318
00:59:08,569 --> 00:59:06,630
okay so at one point Sydney and Tom I

1319
00:59:11,870 --> 00:59:08,579
can't member who was on which side we're

1320
00:59:15,470 --> 00:59:11,880
standing there and I'm you know as I am

1321
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:15,480
in all my glory and they're standing

1322
00:59:21,660 --> 00:59:18,480
over me and Tom what's down and then he

1323
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:21,670
looks at Sydney Gus I love my job

1324
00:59:29,150 --> 00:59:24,770
[Laughter]

1325
00:59:31,370 --> 00:59:29,160
yeah he was in funny um you know and I'm

1326
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:31,380
sure we've all heard the stories the

1327
00:59:36,740 --> 00:59:34,319
stories about Oh a friend of a friend of

1328
00:59:38,660 --> 00:59:36,750
mine said that he's a rent boy and he

1329
00:59:41,710 --> 00:59:38,670
went off with Tom and think now there's

1330
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:41,720
all kinds of crazy stories that you hear

1331
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:45,930
supposedly about Tom but you're gonna

1332
00:59:51,250 --> 00:59:48,000
hear that about I mean you hear stories

1333
00:59:53,660 --> 00:59:51,260
about every celebrity there's always

1334
00:59:55,940 --> 00:59:53,670
different ideas and the bigger celebrity

1335
00:59:59,000 --> 00:59:55,950
you are the more stories there are

1336
01:00:04,010 --> 00:59:59,010
floating around just to give an example

1337
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:04,020
the gay thing aside we were filming we

1338
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:08,160
had broke and my father said oh we heard

1339
01:00:13,370 --> 01:00:10,770
that tom was buying property over

1340
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:13,380
somewhere in the kind of Palo Alto area

1341
01:00:19,250 --> 01:00:16,130
because my father lived in that area and

1342
01:00:21,170 --> 01:00:19,260
so when when we came back to set I said

1343
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:21,180
hey Tom I said are you guys buying

1344
01:00:25,309 --> 01:00:23,609
property out and like over kind of you

1345
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:25,319
know just south of San Francisco Palo

1346
01:00:30,700 --> 01:00:27,930
Alto Hillsborough every area and he

1347
01:00:35,210 --> 01:00:30,710
looked at me and he said no and he said

1348
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:35,220
if I had a penny for every false thing

1349
01:00:40,130 --> 01:00:37,410
that has been said about me he goes I

1350
01:00:41,660 --> 01:00:40,140
would be so much richer than I already

1351
01:00:43,339 --> 01:00:41,670
am yeah

1352
01:00:44,780 --> 01:00:43,349
well what I what I've always found odd

1353
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:44,790
though is how he would file these

1354
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:48,210
lawsuits against people who would accuse

1355
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:49,890
him of being gay and I'm kind of like if

1356
01:00:54,859 --> 01:00:52,650
I'm a straight guy killing it with the

1357
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:54,869
ladies because I'm Tom Cruise and

1358
01:00:58,520 --> 01:00:56,490
somebody writes a story that I'm gay I

1359
01:01:00,829 --> 01:00:58,530
would just I think I would just laugh

1360
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:00,839
about it you know so I find that a

1361
01:01:07,069 --> 01:01:03,359
little odd that he it comes across he

1362
01:01:10,460 --> 01:01:07,079
does protest too much I mean I think

1363
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:10,470
that in in those respects I I mean I'm

1364
01:01:15,380 --> 01:01:12,569
just guessing here I reckon he just

1365
01:01:19,370 --> 01:01:15,390
takes himself seriously and he wants the

1366
01:01:21,620 --> 01:01:19,380
press to take him seriously yeah I mean

1367
01:01:24,740 --> 01:01:21,630
I'm just gonna be frank until I see him

1368
01:01:26,990 --> 01:01:24,750
in flagrante with some other dude I'm

1369
01:01:28,910 --> 01:01:27,000
I'm not gonna say yea or nay because I

1370
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:28,920
don't know and I mean there's some

1371
01:01:32,089 --> 01:01:30,720
people that you think oh he's definitely

1372
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:32,099
gay and then you see him with a

1373
01:01:36,170 --> 01:01:33,359
girlfriend you're thinking what the hell

1374
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:36,180
you know advice for vice versa

1375
01:01:41,630 --> 01:01:39,119
so so yes I just don't assume I didn't

1376
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:41,640
have any indication when we were working

1377
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:43,530
together I mean there was no kind of

1378
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:46,079
frist song between us really I mean I

1379
01:01:53,859 --> 01:01:49,920
didn't really he's a bit kind of to sort

1380
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:53,869
of how can I explain kind of to sort of

1381
01:01:59,089 --> 01:01:56,490
goody two-shoes kind of all-american

1382
01:02:01,220 --> 01:01:59,099
doesn't really have an edge about him so

1383
01:02:05,390 --> 01:02:01,230
I he's not really somebody that I would

1384
01:02:07,460 --> 01:02:05,400
fancy you know so there wasn't really

1385
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:07,470
that sort of wrist force on between us

1386
01:02:12,740 --> 01:02:10,079
but we got along great and I will say I

1387
01:02:15,020 --> 01:02:12,750
I think he's great he's so professional

1388
01:02:19,010 --> 01:02:15,030
he's a great actor I would I work with

1389
01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:19,020
him again in a millisecond so it was

1390
01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:21,510
good things to say about him on set so I

1391
01:02:26,900 --> 01:02:23,369
mean you had a you know once in a

1392
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:26,910
lifetime experience to you know for any

1393
01:02:30,890 --> 01:02:28,890
actress to be able to work with Tom

1394
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:30,900
Cruise who's gonna go down as one of the

1395
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:33,359
greatest and most successful actors of

1396
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:35,010
all time and then also to have worked

1397
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:36,569
with Stanley Kubrick and which the same

1398
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:37,920
thing can be said about him as a

1399
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:40,530
director so I just love to get your take

1400
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:42,690
on both of them so before we moved to

1401
01:02:49,250 --> 01:02:46,410
Stanley to finish with Tom what what can

1402
01:02:51,140 --> 01:02:49,260
you tell everyone for all the people who

1403
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:51,150
haven't worked with Tom Cruise on a

1404
01:02:54,890 --> 01:02:53,970
movie and shot a couple very significant

1405
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:54,900
scenes in

1406
01:02:59,060 --> 01:02:57,690
you know you know very important

1407
01:03:02,270 --> 01:02:59,070
impressive movie the last understanding

1408
01:03:03,410 --> 01:03:02,280
Kubrick's career yeah what kind of what

1409
01:03:05,180 --> 01:03:03,420
can you tell us about what it was like

1410
01:03:09,290 --> 01:03:05,190
working with Tom Cruise as an actor or

1411
01:03:13,700 --> 01:03:09,300
any other anecdotes I didn't find him to

1412
01:03:17,210 --> 01:03:13,710
be a prima donna I found him to still

1413
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:17,220
give 100% even if the camera was not on

1414
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:20,490
him so that my performance was good

1415
01:03:26,300 --> 01:03:23,130
he was just a hundred percent

1416
01:03:29,690 --> 01:03:26,310
professional he was absolutely committed

1417
01:03:31,580 --> 01:03:29,700
and earnest and he was friendly he was

1418
01:03:36,410 --> 01:03:31,590
friendly to everybody who's friendly to

1419
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:36,420
the crew I mean III mean I hate to say

1420
01:03:40,310 --> 01:03:38,010
it I know that sounds boring but I don't

1421
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:40,320
have anything bad to say about the guy I

1422
01:03:45,140 --> 01:03:42,930
think he's just stellar

1423
01:03:46,100 --> 01:03:45,150
that's why I would work with him again

1424
01:03:49,010 --> 01:03:46,110
in a second

1425
01:03:50,930 --> 01:03:49,020
there was I didn't get any trace of ego

1426
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:50,940
from that guy and I know we've heard

1427
01:03:55,940 --> 01:03:53,610
stuff like Oh had to have some special

1428
01:03:57,710 --> 01:03:55,950
tunnel made from his dressing room to

1429
01:04:01,610 --> 01:03:57,720
set when he was doing Mission Impossible

1430
01:04:05,180 --> 01:04:01,620
I didn't see it that sounded like BS to

1431
01:04:07,250 --> 01:04:05,190
me he really did and during these couple

1432
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:07,260
very big scenes which were shot over how

1433
01:04:16,430 --> 01:04:10,170
many total days did you shoot oh I don't

1434
01:04:18,500 --> 01:04:16,440
know I mean I was we between rehearsal

1435
01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:18,510
and shooting I mean it was easily two

1436
01:04:23,570 --> 01:04:20,480
three months but I was paid for eight

1437
01:04:24,860 --> 01:04:23,580
paid for eight months Wow

1438
01:04:26,900 --> 01:04:24,870
but really when you watch the film

1439
01:04:28,940 --> 01:04:26,910
there's really just two major scenes

1440
01:04:30,980 --> 01:04:28,950
that you're in you're right you did a

1441
01:04:33,530 --> 01:04:30,990
lot one though and I was in but I was

1442
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:33,540
also in the orgy scenes that not the

1443
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:35,370
orgy scenes I was in the ritual scenes

1444
01:04:40,790 --> 01:04:38,130
of the 12 girls in the circle and all of

1445
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:40,800
that the only ones I wasn't in were the

1446
01:04:45,110 --> 01:04:43,440
actual orgy scene what about what did

1447
01:04:48,830 --> 01:04:45,120
you observe as far as communication

1448
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:48,840
between Cruz and Kubrick so that was

1449
01:04:55,370 --> 01:04:50,690
very interesting

1450
01:04:59,540 --> 01:04:55,380
tom was extremely respectful to Stanley

1451
01:05:01,550 --> 01:04:59,550
and so there would be moments where you

1452
01:05:04,460 --> 01:05:01,560
know maybe we were shooting or we cut

1453
01:05:07,550 --> 01:05:04,470
and we were about to shoot again you

1454
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:07,560
know do another take and Tom would sort

1455
01:05:09,830 --> 01:05:08,400
of pause

1456
01:05:11,450 --> 01:05:09,840
and just and look at Stanley and just

1457
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:11,460
say hey Stanley can I talk to you for a

1458
01:05:18,980 --> 01:05:14,880
second and so everything would stop they

1459
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:18,990
would leave set and go somewhere for you

1460
01:05:24,290 --> 01:05:21,570
know a minute two minutes five minutes

1461
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:24,300
not really longer than that have

1462
01:05:27,860 --> 01:05:25,770
whatever conversation they were gonna

1463
01:05:30,140 --> 01:05:27,870
have and then they would come back

1464
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:30,150
nothing was said and then they would

1465
01:05:36,580 --> 01:05:33,090
begin again and that did happen a number

1466
01:05:42,620 --> 01:05:36,590
of times but at no point did Tom

1467
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:42,630
question anything or say well except for

1468
01:05:49,700 --> 01:05:45,810
the fact the the bathroom scene that we

1469
01:05:51,410 --> 01:05:49,710
shot we the three of us Tom and Sidney

1470
01:05:55,790 --> 01:05:51,420
and I kind of rewrote that scene

1471
01:05:58,910 --> 01:05:55,800
together um it kind of all started with

1472
01:06:00,860 --> 01:05:58,920
I think I said one word I said better

1473
01:06:03,380 --> 01:06:00,870
you know Oh Mandy how are you feeling

1474
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:03,390
better well let me let me set the scene

1475
01:06:06,740 --> 01:06:05,370
I think most people listening or

1476
01:06:09,620 --> 01:06:06,750
watching a scene in the movie but just

1477
01:06:12,310 --> 01:06:09,630
to set the scene he's at a big party

1478
01:06:14,810 --> 01:06:12,320
toward the beginning of the movie and

1479
01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:14,820
Sydney [\h__\h] is the one who invited

1480
01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:18,720
him and then Tom gets called up because

1481
01:06:22,610 --> 01:06:20,910
Sydney [\h__\h] character wants to talk

1482
01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:22,620
to him about something he comes in and

1483
01:06:25,340 --> 01:06:24,240
he was having sex with a prostitute up

1484
01:06:28,070 --> 01:06:25,350
there despite the fact that his wife is

1485
01:06:30,110 --> 01:06:28,080
down at the party he had snuck up he's

1486
01:06:32,540 --> 01:06:30,120
having sex with a prostitute but she has

1487
01:06:34,850 --> 01:06:32,550
overdosed on a speedball a mix of heroin

1488
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:34,860
and cocaine and Tom has been brought in

1489
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:38,490
as a doctor to try to resuscitate you or

1490
01:06:43,100 --> 01:06:40,770
find out what what the issue is now but

1491
01:06:45,830 --> 01:06:43,110
that was actually in a room that wasn't

1492
01:06:46,820 --> 01:06:45,840
the bathroom right no that wasn't that

1493
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:46,830
was in the bathroom

1494
01:06:50,780 --> 01:06:49,440
okay okay some reason I thought it was a

1495
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:50,790
regular room but maybe was just a super

1496
01:06:54,740 --> 01:06:52,890
nice bathroom in that same bathroom and

1497
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:54,750
then when I come to where I've got the

1498
01:07:04,490 --> 01:06:57,440
towel on me is you know when I

1499
01:07:06,620 --> 01:07:04,500
supposedly been resuscitated well you're

1500
01:07:08,660 --> 01:07:06,630
talking about how you get anyway so in

1501
01:07:11,660 --> 01:07:08,670
that scene where I'm you know I'm kind

1502
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:11,670
of a bit more awake and he says how are

1503
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:13,530
you you know how are you feeling now

1504
01:07:21,890 --> 01:07:17,850
Mandy I just yeah I remember the script

1505
01:07:24,260 --> 01:07:21,900
said something like better and I said I

1506
01:07:25,940 --> 01:07:24,270
- Stanley I said you know I feel like I

1507
01:07:28,279 --> 01:07:25,950
want to do this and I can't remember the

1508
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:28,289
details of who said what or how we did

1509
01:07:33,650 --> 01:07:31,890
things but I remember saying you know

1510
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:33,660
I'm feeling like I want to do this or

1511
01:07:38,990 --> 01:07:34,559
say this

1512
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:39,000
and Stanley goes okay say that and then

1513
01:07:42,769 --> 01:07:41,130
Tom would say well you know if she's

1514
01:07:44,839 --> 01:07:42,779
going to do that maybe I should do this

1515
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:44,849
and then Sidney would say well you know

1516
01:07:48,349 --> 01:07:46,319
if you guys are gonna do that well what

1517
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:48,359
if I did this and we pretty much kind of

1518
01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:51,119
we broke that whole scene together and

1519
01:07:56,750 --> 01:07:55,049
you know they have the script girl you

1520
01:07:59,809 --> 01:07:56,760
know just kind of writing everything in

1521
01:08:01,819 --> 01:07:59,819
as we were doing it and and Stanley was

1522
01:08:04,010 --> 01:08:01,829
pretty almost like yeah okay let's try

1523
01:08:05,930 --> 01:08:04,020
that let's do that you know and we just

1524
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:05,940
you know we we kind of rewrote that

1525
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:08,130
scene and shot it and it was all good

1526
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:11,010
and that was it and I mean I guess for

1527
01:08:14,450 --> 01:08:13,130
me the fact that I even said anything

1528
01:08:17,090 --> 01:08:14,460
you know

1529
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:17,100
maybe other girls in this situation

1530
01:08:20,180 --> 01:08:18,960
maybe if I had been in LA I maybe I

1531
01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:20,190
would have been more fearful I don't

1532
01:08:27,229 --> 01:08:24,089
know but the attitude of in in England

1533
01:08:29,419 --> 01:08:27,239
is really more like or at least how I

1534
01:08:31,490 --> 01:08:29,429
felt is that I just thought you know

1535
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:31,500
what I don't care that I'm a nobody and

1536
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:33,210
I've been plucked from obscurity or

1537
01:08:37,689 --> 01:08:35,370
whatever I thought I'm here I've been

1538
01:08:41,419 --> 01:08:37,699
hired to do a job I'm gonna do the job

1539
01:08:43,249 --> 01:08:41,429
to the best of my ability and so as far

1540
01:08:45,740 --> 01:08:43,259
as I was concerned we were all equals

1541
01:08:47,870 --> 01:08:45,750
we're all equals working together and I

1542
01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:47,880
just wanted to help make it the best

1543
01:08:52,430 --> 01:08:50,100
thing it could be and and that was that

1544
01:08:54,410 --> 01:08:52,440
you know and I had that attitude so

1545
01:08:57,130 --> 01:08:54,420
that's why I spoke up that's why I said

1546
01:08:59,479 --> 01:08:57,140
you know I feel like I want to say this

1547
01:09:01,519 --> 01:08:59,489
and then that started though as opposed

1548
01:09:05,149 --> 01:09:01,529
to Tom Cruise who was more respectful of

1549
01:09:07,340 --> 01:09:05,159
Stanley than you were and he would make

1550
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:07,350
sure that if he had any commentary about

1551
01:09:12,769 --> 01:09:10,080
how things were going he would take him

1552
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:12,779
into a separate separate what was said I

1553
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:14,640
don't know what he was but but that does

1554
01:09:19,939 --> 01:09:17,370
sound like what he was doing right from

1555
01:09:22,189 --> 01:09:19,949
everyone else there so I have no idea

1556
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:22,199
what they would say I know that it

1557
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:26,250
happened and and but it sounds like it

1558
01:09:33,740 --> 01:09:29,370
really was a collaboration the entire

1559
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:33,750
film between Cruz and and Stanley and to

1560
01:09:35,660 --> 01:09:35,040
the point where I think I've heard you

1561
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:35,670
say in a prior

1562
01:09:39,370 --> 01:09:37,410
interview that you weren't you didn't

1563
01:09:42,620 --> 01:09:39,380
even have the full script no I didn't

1564
01:09:46,370 --> 01:09:42,630
know they were really really really kept

1565
01:09:48,289 --> 01:09:46,380
that under wraps yeah I was running

1566
01:09:50,749 --> 01:09:48,299
around going oh I've read this script

1567
01:09:55,010 --> 01:09:50,759
like no how many people do you think had

1568
01:09:59,689 --> 01:09:55,020
read the script obviously the you know

1569
01:10:05,030 --> 01:09:59,699
the camera the GPS the you know the

1570
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:05,040
immediate crew obviously Tom and Nicole

1571
01:10:09,470 --> 01:10:06,810
but I think the rest of them probably

1572
01:10:12,530 --> 01:10:09,480
not they probably just had their scenes

1573
01:10:14,270 --> 01:10:12,540
so you were you were you were there for

1574
01:10:15,979 --> 01:10:14,280
many months and in trying to piece

1575
01:10:18,260 --> 01:10:15,989
together what the heck this movie was

1576
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:18,270
all about at one point I asked Tom I

1577
01:10:21,380 --> 01:10:20,010
said hey what kind of doctor are you and

1578
01:10:24,650 --> 01:10:21,390
he's like oh you only have to see the

1579
01:10:26,209 --> 01:10:24,660
film I'm like really really not even

1580
01:10:28,820 --> 01:10:26,219
gonna tell me what flippin kind of

1581
01:10:31,100 --> 01:10:28,830
doctor you are okay whatever you know

1582
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:31,110
but I mean he didn't know me from Adam

1583
01:10:35,540 --> 01:10:33,690
who knows what kind of person I was you

1584
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:35,550
know let me ask you something do you

1585
01:10:39,860 --> 01:10:38,250
think this was unique to Kubrick not

1586
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:39,870
wanting people to know or do you think

1587
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:42,840
that it's it was just more matter of hey

1588
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:45,090
we don't want the script to leak out so

1589
01:10:50,810 --> 01:10:46,800
the fewer people we give the script to

1590
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:50,820
the better I don't know the answer to

1591
01:10:54,890 --> 01:10:52,650
that I think

1592
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,900
Kubrick probably was very secretive

1593
01:11:00,380 --> 01:10:56,640
about his scripts because there's always

1594
01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:00,390
whenever Stanley would do a new film it

1595
01:11:06,110 --> 01:11:03,679
was always a very big deal wasn't it so

1596
01:11:07,610 --> 01:11:06,120
yeah I mean typically in a film like

1597
01:11:10,100 --> 01:11:07,620
that you would be given the full script

1598
01:11:12,290 --> 01:11:10,110
though right yeah well sure I mean I've

1599
01:11:15,169 --> 01:11:12,300
never had that situation before or since

1600
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:15,179
I've always had the full script always

1601
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:20,010
okay and now you're shooting the the the

1602
01:11:26,060 --> 01:11:22,170
the orgy scenes or whatever we call this

1603
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,070
well why the party - you've got the

1604
01:11:31,959 --> 01:11:28,560
ritual scenes where all the girls are in

1605
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:31,969
the circle and then we start peeling off

1606
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:36,690
so I shot those scenes but the scenes

1607
01:11:44,330 --> 01:11:39,120
where you see the girls in various

1608
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,340
positions of an orgy that I was not

1609
01:11:48,050 --> 01:11:46,320
involved with so the ritual scenes

1610
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:48,060
though are still pretty weird

1611
01:11:52,330 --> 01:11:49,520
as you were

1612
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:52,340
knows what was your thought as to what

1613
01:11:59,890 --> 01:11:57,920
you thought he was trying to depict well

1614
01:12:02,020 --> 01:11:59,900
I thought it was some sort of a ritual

1615
01:12:04,660 --> 01:12:02,030
of some sort I thought the music he used

1616
01:12:07,180 --> 01:12:04,670
it sounded somewhat satanic and I knew

1617
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:07,190
that it had a creepy element but that's

1618
01:12:12,130 --> 01:12:09,920
about as far as it went because I didn't

1619
01:12:14,860 --> 01:12:12,140
know what the rest of the script was so

1620
01:12:17,410 --> 01:12:14,870
I had no way of knowing I had I had no

1621
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:17,420
way of knowing at that time what the

1622
01:12:22,420 --> 01:12:20,330
intention was and they never flat-out

1623
01:12:23,950 --> 01:12:22,430
say that it was satanic ritual in the

1624
01:12:25,480 --> 01:12:23,960
movie but is that element I mean you

1625
01:12:29,020 --> 01:12:25,490
know when you listen to that music it

1626
01:12:35,220 --> 01:12:29,030
sounds pretty dark doesn't it yeah and

1627
01:12:37,660 --> 01:12:35,230
the guys wearing red yeah okay but

1628
01:12:40,300 --> 01:12:37,670
here's the thing about Stanley though

1629
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:40,310
one of the things that I loved about his

1630
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:42,800
filmmaking and and in fact the reason I

1631
01:12:47,650 --> 01:12:45,770
even put myself forward for the film was

1632
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:47,660
because of Stanley I mean at the time I

1633
01:12:53,230 --> 01:12:50,480
was like Tom Cruise so what you know I

1634
01:12:55,180 --> 01:12:53,240
wasn't really like you know that one way

1635
01:12:57,970 --> 01:12:55,190
or another about Tom you know and since

1636
01:13:00,970 --> 01:12:57,980
since then I I liked him a lot more

1637
01:13:04,180 --> 01:13:00,980
after working with him but Stanley I've

1638
01:13:06,910 --> 01:13:04,190
always loved his work and what I love

1639
01:13:10,330 --> 01:13:06,920
about Stanley is that he doesn't spell

1640
01:13:12,010 --> 01:13:10,340
it out he doesn't spell out the meaning

1641
01:13:14,620 --> 01:13:12,020
of everything whereas you look at

1642
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:14,630
someone like Spielberg and the way he

1643
01:13:20,260 --> 01:13:17,810
makes films he he likes to spell things

1644
01:13:22,510 --> 01:13:20,270
out he likes to kind of spoon feed his

1645
01:13:26,170 --> 01:13:22,520
audience and Stanley doesn't

1646
01:13:30,250 --> 01:13:26,180
underestimate the intelligence of his

1647
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:30,260
audience and he allows people to to

1648
01:13:39,310 --> 01:13:35,600
theorize actually endlessly over what

1649
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:39,320
the meanings are and probably the reason

1650
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:41,840
you know people go on and on about Eyes

1651
01:13:46,150 --> 01:13:43,130
Wide Shut having to do with the

1652
01:13:48,820 --> 01:13:46,160
Illuminati and Satanism and you know the

1653
01:13:53,950 --> 01:13:48,830
elites of this world which I think it

1654
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:53,960
probably does go on but it's a way that

1655
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:56,000
Stanley could sort of make that

1656
01:14:01,590 --> 01:13:57,770
statement without making that statement

1657
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:01,600
in a way you know this is the story

1658
01:14:06,459 --> 01:14:03,730
he's no

1659
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:06,469
whirring scenes again and again and

1660
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:09,440
again so is is that what happened in the

1661
01:14:14,740 --> 01:14:12,320
ritual scene yes and could you at least

1662
01:14:17,620 --> 01:14:14,750
kind of know we're here we were

1663
01:14:19,810 --> 01:14:17,630
rehearsing that those ritual Saints that

1664
01:14:21,580 --> 01:14:19,820
the girls in the circle that initial

1665
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:21,590
scene before they started peeling off

1666
01:14:27,700 --> 01:14:24,050
all of that scene well and the peeling

1667
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:27,710
off and then as you know my character

1668
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:28,610
Mandy

1669
01:14:34,770 --> 01:14:32,480
started walking up the stairs that scene

1670
01:14:37,180 --> 01:14:34,780
we rehearsed from the beginning to

1671
01:14:39,549 --> 01:14:37,190
walking up the stairs we did that again

1672
01:14:44,140 --> 01:14:39,559
and again and again and we rehearsed for

1673
01:14:47,020 --> 01:14:44,150
probably a month we started filming to

1674
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:47,030
the point to the point where you thought

1675
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:50,690
this is kind of absurd it was

1676
01:14:56,169 --> 01:14:51,440
frustrating

1677
01:14:59,529 --> 01:14:56,179
I actually got injured which is why you

1678
01:15:03,240 --> 01:14:59,539
see a credit of Abigail good being

1679
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:03,250
mysterious woman because I was injured

1680
01:15:08,379 --> 01:15:06,050
we were having to you know kneel down

1681
01:15:10,509 --> 01:15:08,389
and then get back up in you know four

1682
01:15:13,299 --> 01:15:10,519
and a half inch heels and I actually

1683
01:15:16,180 --> 01:15:13,309
pulled my fascia and so I was having

1684
01:15:18,189 --> 01:15:16,190
trouble kneeling down and getting back

1685
01:15:22,660 --> 01:15:18,199
up because it was hurting I ended up

1686
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:22,670
getting a CO proximal so I was just kind

1687
01:15:26,500 --> 01:15:24,800
of tingly when we finally were shooting

1688
01:15:32,140 --> 01:15:26,510
it but the damage had already been done

1689
01:15:33,819 --> 01:15:32,150
and the my own private doctor gave me

1690
01:15:35,799 --> 01:15:33,829
that and I'm not somebody that likes to

1691
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:35,809
take drugs or painkillers but I said to

1692
01:15:41,549 --> 01:15:37,760
my doctor at the time I said look I've

1693
01:15:44,549 --> 01:15:41,559
done this I've done damage to this and

1694
01:15:47,850 --> 01:15:44,559
but I can't afford to help this happen

1695
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:47,860
so please can you give me something and

1696
01:15:52,930 --> 01:15:50,480
she knew me and she knew that I I wasn't

1697
01:15:54,549 --> 01:15:52,940
the type to abuse any kind of drug so

1698
01:15:56,649 --> 01:15:54,559
she gave that to me so that I would be

1699
01:15:58,060 --> 01:15:56,659
okay for the scenes but the thing is is

1700
01:16:00,100 --> 01:15:58,070
that at that point it was already too

1701
01:16:01,689 --> 01:16:00,110
late and he said I can't take a chance

1702
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:01,699
because you're injured so I'm gonna have

1703
01:16:08,410 --> 01:16:04,489
to you know give you a body double which

1704
01:16:11,259 --> 01:16:08,420
in essence is what he is so do you think

1705
01:16:13,569 --> 01:16:11,269
there was a method to his madness or the

1706
01:16:15,939 --> 01:16:13,579
guy which is kind of a bit nuts to be

1707
01:16:21,930 --> 01:16:15,949
doing all this rehearsing and all these

1708
01:16:30,940 --> 01:16:27,700
um okay you know how sometimes you see

1709
01:16:32,650 --> 01:16:30,950
someone who maybe you might consider

1710
01:16:37,710 --> 01:16:32,660
them a genius and they have this

1711
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:37,720
preconceived vision and idea and

1712
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:40,370
whatever they do leading on from that

1713
01:16:46,210 --> 01:16:43,010
point is to realize that preconceived

1714
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:46,220
vision that's not Stanley

1715
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:50,090
so what Stanley is is someone who is a

1716
01:16:57,790 --> 01:16:54,850
genius in the way that of how he pulls

1717
01:17:01,210 --> 01:16:57,800
does a tremendous amount of research and

1718
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:01,220
pulls in different elements in order to

1719
01:17:12,060 --> 01:17:06,410
make things happen in the way that he in

1720
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:12,070
the way that it evolves for it to be

1721
01:17:17,310 --> 01:17:14,210
what works for him

1722
01:17:19,420 --> 01:17:17,320
sorry I don't know if that makes sense

1723
01:17:24,340 --> 01:17:19,430
he doesn't have as much of a

1724
01:17:26,740 --> 01:17:24,350
preconceived idea it's more he'll get in

1725
01:17:29,710 --> 01:17:26,750
the position he'll have an idea of how

1726
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:29,720
he wants to shoot something and then at

1727
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:30,530
that point

1728
01:17:39,580 --> 01:17:35,090
he'll explore explore various ideas so

1729
01:17:43,390 --> 01:17:39,590
the reason for his tons and tons of

1730
01:17:49,210 --> 01:17:43,400
rehearsals it kind of gives him a way of

1731
01:17:51,370 --> 01:17:49,220
exploring more more comprehensively so

1732
01:17:54,010 --> 01:17:51,380
he he will you know explore with

1733
01:17:59,740 --> 01:17:54,020
different different lighting different

1734
01:18:02,620 --> 01:17:59,750
light strengths or sets different camera

1735
01:18:06,490 --> 01:18:02,630
movements I mean he was very very very

1736
01:18:08,979 --> 01:18:06,500
specific on camera movements and camera

1737
01:18:11,950 --> 01:18:08,989
timing for instance in the bathroom

1738
01:18:13,510 --> 01:18:11,960
scenes I remember the for the initial

1739
01:18:15,820 --> 01:18:13,520
shot of every you know you had the

1740
01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:15,830
camera it was on a dolly and it would

1741
01:18:21,250 --> 01:18:18,800
move forward and then the camera would

1742
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:21,260
kind of dip down like this and then it

1743
01:18:25,690 --> 01:18:23,840
would kind of move up and then stop at a

1744
01:18:29,650 --> 01:18:25,700
certain point on me

1745
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:29,660
and in the scene as we were doing the

1746
01:18:33,730 --> 01:18:30,410
scene

1747
01:18:35,950 --> 01:18:33,740
it had to reach this point and then this

1748
01:18:38,500 --> 01:18:35,960
point and then this point and then this

1749
01:18:42,850 --> 01:18:38,510
point at the exact right moment that he

1750
01:18:46,060 --> 01:18:42,860
wanted it to be reached and that

1751
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:46,070
involved as he went on and so what I'm

1752
01:18:51,220 --> 01:18:48,170
saying is that's why the rehearsals were

1753
01:18:55,930 --> 01:18:51,230
so involved and why they took so long

1754
01:18:58,420 --> 01:18:55,940
because one he could and two he wanted

1755
01:19:00,430 --> 01:18:58,430
to find the best way so it wasn't like

1756
01:19:02,260 --> 01:19:00,440
he would go into room going you know

1757
01:19:05,350 --> 01:19:02,270
with his little I think going yep this

1758
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:05,360
is the shot he would walk into a room at

1759
01:19:11,260 --> 01:19:09,410
this little you know lens and say yeah

1760
01:19:13,900 --> 01:19:11,270
let's try it from this angle let's let's

1761
01:19:15,820 --> 01:19:13,910
try this right and it was a it was a

1762
01:19:18,370 --> 01:19:15,830
matter of trial and error his genius

1763
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:18,380
came from doing the research and

1764
01:19:23,710 --> 01:19:20,480
surrounding himself with excellent

1765
01:19:25,870 --> 01:19:23,720
people in all in all areas so if you're

1766
01:19:28,900 --> 01:19:25,880
a Kubrick fan you should really

1767
01:19:30,190 --> 01:19:28,910
appreciate every second of the film

1768
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:30,200
because you're saying that basically

1769
01:19:37,900 --> 01:19:32,480
every second was thought through to the

1770
01:19:39,790 --> 01:19:37,910
nth detail for him it was and and you

1771
01:19:42,370 --> 01:19:39,800
know some people go crazy with some of

1772
01:19:44,830 --> 01:19:42,380
the continuity right they're going but

1773
01:19:48,430 --> 01:19:44,840
there was a pause in that other shot and

1774
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:48,440
now the Boz is gone there was something

1775
01:19:51,940 --> 01:19:50,210
I can't remember if it was a Vols or

1776
01:19:55,210 --> 01:19:51,950
something others sort of trinket that

1777
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:55,220
was in the bathroom scenes and for the

1778
01:19:59,320 --> 01:19:57,410
first scene or the second scene it was

1779
01:20:01,420 --> 01:19:59,330
in one place and then for the other

1780
01:20:04,990 --> 01:20:01,430
scene it was either gone or somewhere in

1781
01:20:07,180 --> 01:20:05,000
another part of the room and I remember

1782
01:20:08,710 --> 01:20:07,190
the continuity girl would say but

1783
01:20:11,350 --> 01:20:08,720
Stanley that was in there for the first

1784
01:20:12,910 --> 01:20:11,360
like I don't care you know like it

1785
01:20:16,150 --> 01:20:12,920
doesn't look good in the frame right now

1786
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:16,160
in this but you know so that was that

1787
01:20:21,220 --> 01:20:17,600
was the thing is that he was a real

1788
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:21,230
stickler for every frame and the timing

1789
01:20:26,020 --> 01:20:23,120
and the lighting and and and in fact

1790
01:20:28,570 --> 01:20:26,030
even down to my lip color I remember

1791
01:20:30,460 --> 01:20:28,580
when I the first scenes we changed my

1792
01:20:33,220 --> 01:20:30,470
lip color three or four times until it

1793
01:20:34,750 --> 01:20:33,230
was the exact shade that he wanted oh I

1794
01:20:36,580 --> 01:20:34,760
have to ask you this question because I

1795
01:20:40,030 --> 01:20:36,590
rewatched it last night in preparation

1796
01:20:42,580 --> 01:20:40,040
for our discussion and there's a little

1797
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:42,590
part that doesn't make sense at least

1798
01:20:48,330 --> 01:20:44,210
maybe I missed it

1799
01:20:51,250 --> 01:20:48,340
how did you know for the film sake that

1800
01:20:53,590 --> 01:20:51,260
Tom Cruise was Tom Cruise because after

1801
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:53,600
the ritual you go up to him and you say

1802
01:20:58,960 --> 01:20:56,810
hey you need to get out of here it's not

1803
01:21:00,760 --> 01:20:58,970
safe here yeah according to the story

1804
01:21:02,590 --> 01:21:00,770
you're going to him because you remember

1805
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:02,600
him as being the doctor who had helped

1806
01:21:08,890 --> 01:21:05,330
you yet he's behind a mask so how did

1807
01:21:11,710 --> 01:21:08,900
you know that was him well that's

1808
01:21:13,780 --> 01:21:11,720
something that Stanley does not spell

1809
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:13,790
out for people and we can forever

1810
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:16,490
theorize why

1811
01:21:24,370 --> 01:21:21,280
Mandy knew this either Mandy was told

1812
01:21:28,900 --> 01:21:24,380
people knew who he was when he came in I

1813
01:21:31,390 --> 01:21:28,910
don't know her theorized ok so wasn't an

1814
01:21:34,810 --> 01:21:31,400
error by Stanley that I caught though no

1815
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:34,820
no he wouldn't she clearly was tip me

1816
01:21:40,780 --> 01:21:37,010
it's a good point maybe she was pointed

1817
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:40,790
out to that hey get rid of this guy yeah

1818
01:21:47,950 --> 01:21:44,080
it's the theory just like just like I

1819
01:21:49,420 --> 01:21:47,960
mean his films are like a what's the

1820
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:49,430
thing where you kind of it's like a

1821
01:21:56,140 --> 01:21:52,730
flower you can keep peeling the petals

1822
01:21:58,270 --> 01:21:56,150
and finding more and more and more it's

1823
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:58,280
like it's like a Mandelbrot set you know

1824
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:00,560
you can keep peeling it and finding more

1825
01:22:04,570 --> 01:22:02,210
detail

1826
01:22:08,890 --> 01:22:04,580
he just didn't spell things out because

1827
01:22:10,750 --> 01:22:08,900
he allowed the audience to decide what

1828
01:22:16,060 --> 01:22:10,760
that story was and and it's just very

1829
01:22:17,710 --> 01:22:16,070
interesting that through the years and

1830
01:22:19,390 --> 01:22:17,720
you can watch the story you know watch

1831
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:19,400
the film the first time and have one

1832
01:22:24,580 --> 01:22:21,530
idea and then maybe watch it again and

1833
01:22:26,890 --> 01:22:24,590
have another idea and accept what about

1834
01:22:28,930 --> 01:22:26,900
continually have different ideas and

1835
01:22:31,450 --> 01:22:28,940
different theories about what the

1836
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:31,460
meaning was what the point was what

1837
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:33,920
really happened and that's kind of the

1838
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:36,290
beauty of it really yeah but during all

1839
01:22:41,050 --> 01:22:39,050
your time with him did he ever spouse in

1840
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:41,060
front of you what the movie was about or

1841
01:22:45,580 --> 01:22:42,290
what he was trying to get to or give you

1842
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:45,590
any clues as to what the what the point

1843
01:22:52,030 --> 01:22:48,410
of the movie was nope and in fact what

1844
01:22:53,770 --> 01:22:52,040
was so interesting is that he didn't

1845
01:22:57,500 --> 01:22:53,780
like to talk about him and he didn't

1846
01:23:01,850 --> 01:22:59,450
he didn't really like to talk about much

1847
01:23:03,770 --> 01:23:01,860
about his past I mean there was a few

1848
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:03,780
little things that he said like he was

1849
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:05,760
telling me about a scene in dr.

1850
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:07,890
Strangelove that he's still chuckled

1851
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:09,840
about that told that you know he told me

1852
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:13,530
about but for the most part he spent a

1853
01:23:18,740 --> 01:23:16,410
lot of his time finding out about other

1854
01:23:20,980 --> 01:23:18,750
people he was like a sponge he didn't

1855
01:23:23,660 --> 01:23:20,990
want to talk about himself he wanted to

1856
01:23:25,850 --> 01:23:23,670
find out everything about other people

1857
01:23:28,250 --> 01:23:25,860
so he was constantly asking me questions

1858
01:23:31,510 --> 01:23:28,260
about me my life why'd I live in London

1859
01:23:35,540 --> 01:23:31,520
what else do you do I mean at one point

1860
01:23:38,930 --> 01:23:35,550
this is early on I said oh you know I'm

1861
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:38,940
a model and then also I make music I

1862
01:23:43,670 --> 01:23:40,530
sing and I write and produce and

1863
01:23:45,020 --> 01:23:43,680
everything and he said oh I'd love to

1864
01:23:46,610 --> 01:23:45,030
hear some of your music and I said

1865
01:23:48,230 --> 01:23:46,620
really I mean you know you're in the

1866
01:23:50,420 --> 01:23:48,240
middle of shooting this film because no

1867
01:23:53,150 --> 01:23:50,430
no no please you know so I made a potato

1868
01:23:55,820 --> 01:23:53,160
him and it was like a half hours worth

1869
01:23:57,860 --> 01:23:55,830
of music came back the next day I kid

1870
01:23:59,570 --> 01:23:57,870
you not the next day and he said well I

1871
01:24:01,700 --> 01:23:59,580
listened to all of your songs because

1872
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:01,710
from your voice is excellent and he said

1873
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:04,320
no this song what did you mean with blah

1874
01:24:08,150 --> 01:24:05,730
blah blah and he was asking me questions

1875
01:24:11,420 --> 01:24:08,160
about each song and I was just

1876
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:11,430
gobsmacked because I thought here you

1877
01:24:14,210 --> 01:24:12,810
are you're filming this thing you're

1878
01:24:16,010 --> 01:24:14,220
probably going home to look at the

1879
01:24:18,260 --> 01:24:16,020
rushes of what you were hurt you know

1880
01:24:21,380 --> 01:24:18,270
the rehearsal rushes and whatever and

1881
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:21,390
the footage that you did shoot and yet

1882
01:24:25,370 --> 01:24:23,130
you still took a half an hour to listen

1883
01:24:28,100 --> 01:24:25,380
to you know me little old me peon

1884
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:28,110
unknown me to listen to all of my songs

1885
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:30,000
I mean that's just incredible to me

1886
01:24:34,450 --> 01:24:31,650
that's funny that's when he was like

1887
01:24:37,010 --> 01:24:34,460
he'd like to find out about everything

1888
01:24:39,530 --> 01:24:37,020
about other people because I think that

1889
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:39,540
he was like the sponge and it helped him

1890
01:24:45,170 --> 01:24:43,410
to kind of gain more knowledge about the

1891
01:24:47,810 --> 01:24:45,180
world really well it's pretty amazing

1892
01:24:49,820 --> 01:24:47,820
that two actors at the height of their

1893
01:24:52,570 --> 01:24:49,830
careers to Cole Kidman and Tom Cruise

1894
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:52,580
were willing to subject themselves to

1895
01:24:58,100 --> 01:24:55,530
being in a film them because I mean the

1896
01:25:00,520 --> 01:24:58,110
number of months they had to spend with

1897
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:00,530
him doing his endless number of takes

1898
01:25:04,820 --> 01:25:02,970
it's amazing they had the patience Rick

1899
01:25:06,440 --> 01:25:04,830
I mean do you think that it would have

1900
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:06,450
been my first choice for me to do

1901
01:25:11,420 --> 01:25:10,560
frontal and rear full nudity I mean you

1902
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:11,430
know but it's

1903
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:13,650
like when when the opportunity arises

1904
01:25:21,260 --> 01:25:17,010
you think it's stanley kubrick's oh okay

1905
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:21,270
you know and I am but I did turn it down

1906
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:23,130
I mean he wanted me to be involved in

1907
01:25:30,290 --> 01:25:26,400
the quote action of the orgy scenes and

1908
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:30,300
I really was not comfortable I was so

1909
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:32,010
uncomfortable in fact I said you know

1910
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:34,800
Stanley I just can't I just can't do it

1911
01:25:38,660 --> 01:25:37,410
just doesn't I just I just and you and

1912
01:25:40,460 --> 01:25:38,670
you probably regret that to this day

1913
01:25:42,590 --> 01:25:40,470
because you could have had more scenes

1914
01:25:46,490 --> 01:25:42,600
in a Stanley Kubrick movie nope don't

1915
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:46,500
regret it not one second my favorite

1916
01:25:51,950 --> 01:25:48,290
part of the movie and you weren't in it

1917
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:51,960
because I I Know Who I am and I know

1918
01:25:57,100 --> 01:25:53,850
what I can live with and what I can't

1919
01:26:01,340 --> 01:25:57,110
live with and just as a little side note

1920
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:01,350
it was only about a year and a half two

1921
01:26:06,230 --> 01:26:03,330
years previous to that I was actually

1922
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:06,240
sexually assaulted on the street by a

1923
01:26:14,330 --> 01:26:11,330
stranger and and I was injured and I

1924
01:26:15,770 --> 01:26:14,340
hadn't really recovered from that I you

1925
01:26:17,780 --> 01:26:15,780
know I was just having kind of like this

1926
01:26:20,330 --> 01:26:17,790
waking nightmare of the thing happening

1927
01:26:23,810 --> 01:26:20,340
over and over again and I actually felt

1928
01:26:25,820 --> 01:26:23,820
really vulnerable and I used to do you

1929
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:25,830
know as a fashion model you kind of

1930
01:26:30,740 --> 01:26:28,800
don't care about nudity because you know

1931
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:30,750
you're changing all the time and and

1932
01:26:35,570 --> 01:26:32,850
it's just like you think of your body as

1933
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:35,580
just another outfit pretty much but

1934
01:26:40,610 --> 01:26:38,250
after that incident of being assaulted

1935
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:40,620
on the street I I felt very vulnerable

1936
01:26:49,070 --> 01:26:43,770
and I felt vulnerable for quite a long

1937
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:49,080
time and and so when we were shooting

1938
01:26:54,830 --> 01:26:52,650
I did feel vulnerable which is why I

1939
01:26:58,280 --> 01:26:54,840
wanted the towel which is why I wanted

1940
01:27:00,800 --> 01:26:58,290
my robe it was just it just you know it

1941
01:27:03,890 --> 01:27:00,810
was it was that aspect of it wasn't easy

1942
01:27:06,260 --> 01:27:03,900
but I really wanted to work with Stanley

1943
01:27:08,630 --> 01:27:06,270
Kubrick because I was a huge fan like so

1944
01:27:10,190 --> 01:27:08,640
many people and so do you do I think it

1945
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:10,200
was a good decision on the line I had to

1946
01:27:14,420 --> 01:27:11,760
draw the line I did not want to

1947
01:27:16,460 --> 01:27:14,430
participate in the action of the orgy

1948
01:27:18,170 --> 01:27:16,470
scenes I didn't see the point somebody

1949
01:27:21,230 --> 01:27:18,180
else could do it with my hair which is

1950
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:21,240
exactly what happened well we've been

1951
01:27:24,860 --> 01:27:23,010
talking so much we're running low on

1952
01:27:26,510 --> 01:27:24,870
battery but I do want to allow

1953
01:27:29,620 --> 01:27:26,520
the opportunity to provide your two

1954
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:29,630
cents before the battery runs out on

1955
01:27:33,860 --> 01:27:30,810
ANCOVA

1956
01:27:36,170 --> 01:27:33,870
and how you feel about State of

1957
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:36,180
California's response to it as we sit

1958
01:27:46,420 --> 01:27:41,250
here lockdown in Los Angeles or whatever

1959
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:49,580
those people that are at risk that are

1960
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:52,650
higher risk need to do whatever they

1961
01:27:57,920 --> 01:27:55,530
need to do in order to feel safe if they

1962
01:28:00,340 --> 01:27:57,930
want to continue to quarantine

1963
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:00,350
themselves in order to feel safe fine

1964
01:28:08,180 --> 01:28:05,250
however they are saying that in regards

1965
01:28:10,670 --> 01:28:08,190
to immunity we lessen our immunity by

1966
01:28:12,740 --> 01:28:10,680
quarantine in ourselves the healthy we

1967
01:28:16,460 --> 01:28:12,750
need to be out there exposing ourselves

1968
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:16,470
to other bacterias and viruses that's

1969
01:28:21,410 --> 01:28:19,050
how we keep our immune system but for

1970
01:28:25,130 --> 01:28:21,420
those people that are high-risk I say

1971
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:25,140
sure take whatever necessary precautions

1972
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:28,050
you need to take in order to keep

1973
01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:31,010
yourself safe but for the rest of us

1974
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:35,840
this is what's happening now

1975
01:28:43,190 --> 01:28:39,170
specifically more so in the blue states

1976
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:43,200
I think this is a test run it's a test

1977
01:28:50,060 --> 01:28:46,530
run for totalitarianism and they're

1978
01:28:52,730 --> 01:28:50,070
loving it they are loving it and the

1979
01:28:55,820 --> 01:28:52,740
people that the leftists that are

1980
01:28:59,840 --> 01:28:55,830
following you know they're mayors and

1981
01:29:01,940 --> 01:28:59,850
governors that are Democrat there in

1982
01:29:05,150 --> 01:29:01,950
full trust and faith that they're doing

1983
01:29:07,070 --> 01:29:05,160
it for their safety and security but for

1984
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:07,080
me you know you have a choice in this

1985
01:29:13,220 --> 01:29:09,090
world do you want freedom or do you want

1986
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:13,230
the idea of safety and security if you

1987
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:15,090
have freedom you can provide your own

1988
01:29:20,630 --> 01:29:17,370
safety and security and you don't need

1989
01:29:22,190 --> 01:29:20,640
to rely on government to tell you that

1990
01:29:25,820 --> 01:29:22,200
they're making you safe and secure

1991
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:25,830
because honestly they can't you can you

1992
01:29:30,100 --> 01:29:27,840
have the power to make yourself safe and

1993
01:29:33,140 --> 01:29:30,110
secure we need to open up immediately

1994
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:33,150
yeah I think this is it's a true test of

1995
01:29:38,020 --> 01:29:35,370
who the true individual freedom lovers

1996
01:29:41,650 --> 01:29:38,030
are this is kind of the litmus test

1997
01:29:44,350 --> 01:29:41,660
yeah yeah Julian

1998
01:29:46,690 --> 01:29:44,360
so I'm hoping that I'm hoping that we do

1999
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:46,700
open up and if we don't and this is the